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2017-07-09 10:05:15 UTC

Japan's industry today is based off of the Korean War

2017-07-09 10:05:16 UTC

Fact is Chile adopted the free market approach

2017-07-09 10:05:42 UTC

Japan became more wealthy than their neighbours because they dropped the isolationism and adopted the free market

2017-07-09 10:05:45 UTC

simple as that

2017-07-09 10:05:56 UTC

umm, no

2017-07-09 10:06:02 UTC

Japan did not adopt a free market

2017-07-09 10:06:06 UTC

Show me a country that improved greatly without millions suffering that didn't use the free market

2017-07-09 10:06:09 UTC

Yes they did

2017-07-09 10:06:16 UTC

they had intense protectionism

2017-07-09 10:06:25 UTC

like the U.K. like the U.S., like Germany

2017-07-09 10:06:29 UTC

And after that in 1860 they adopted the free market, duh

2017-07-09 10:06:38 UTC

no, in 1860

2017-07-09 10:06:41 UTC

and after

2017-07-09 10:06:53 UTC

they protected Japanese industry so it could compete with other countries

2017-07-09 10:07:06 UTC

which is exactly what Germany did to develop

2017-07-09 10:07:11 UTC

No that came even later still, and that's why they suffered in the 80s

2017-07-09 10:07:18 UTC

before that they had the free market

2017-07-09 10:07:21 UTC

and it's what the U.S. did as well

2017-07-09 10:07:34 UTC

they had tariffs, they had government support of industries

2017-07-09 10:07:43 UTC

Which is a bad idea

2017-07-09 10:07:46 UTC

See India

2017-07-09 10:07:47 UTC

which is a good idea

2017-07-09 10:07:56 UTC

Terrible idea if you know anything about economics

2017-07-09 10:08:00 UTC

also why the fuck are you even here?

2017-07-09 10:08:04 UTC

you're an idiot libertarian

2017-07-09 10:08:07 UTC

hardly left-wing

2017-07-09 10:08:17 UTC

I never claimed to be left wing

2017-07-09 10:08:45 UTC

Ran out of arguments or what?

2017-07-09 10:08:50 UTC

this is literally how economies developed

2017-07-09 10:09:04 UTC

you're just spouting propaganda without knowing any actual history

2017-07-09 10:09:07 UTC

I can throw some links at you too, but I like to use my own words

2017-07-09 10:09:46 UTC

Fact is economies develop faster and better without those government subsidized companies and import taxes and such

2017-07-09 10:10:18 UTC

yeah, you know which countries have enforced free markets and had for ages?

2017-07-09 10:10:21 UTC

African countries

2017-07-09 10:10:25 UTC

sooo developed

2017-07-09 10:10:31 UTC

Africa had their own issues

2017-07-09 10:10:44 UTC

the U.S. supports American agriculture

2017-07-09 10:10:52 UTC

How come free market works in south america, north america, europe and asia then?

2017-07-09 10:10:54 UTC

the E.U. supports French agriculture

2017-07-09 10:10:55 UTC

it doesn't

2017-07-09 10:10:59 UTC

because it isn't practiced

2017-07-09 10:11:11 UTC

Not completely but the freer it is the better it works

2017-07-09 10:11:22 UTC

international capitalism is supported by fucking China

2017-07-09 10:11:25 UTC

Look at the map for economically free countries, always the richest

2017-07-09 10:11:29 UTC

and could not survive without it

2017-07-09 10:11:43 UTC

Socialism cannot survive without an underground capitalistic system

2017-07-09 10:11:45 UTC

fact

2017-07-09 10:13:38 UTC

Talk a big game but absolutely clueless

2017-07-09 10:13:49 UTC

Next time you argue don't start with throwing insults

2017-07-09 12:54:56 UTC

Hello

2017-07-09 19:11:51 UTC

woah woah woah

2017-07-09 19:12:03 UTC

"How come free market works in south america, north america, europe and asia then?"

2017-07-09 19:12:12 UTC

because niggers.

2017-07-09 19:12:15 UTC

I can't speak for europe

2017-07-09 19:12:20 UTC

Or really asia

2017-07-09 19:12:40 UTC

but I assure you the Americas haven't reacted well to the international market

2017-07-09 19:12:49 UTC

outside of the states

2017-07-09 19:13:21 UTC

Certain US companies might've done very well due to government backing

2017-07-09 19:13:43 UTC

and historically because the US government has taken measures to allow some level of self-determination for well-off citizens

2017-07-09 19:14:11 UTC

I have too ask two things what do you mean by free-market?

2017-07-09 19:14:16 UTC

where has it helped?

2017-07-09 19:20:15 UTC

Niggers aren't real. Nice try.

2017-07-09 19:21:55 UTC

The approach Chile has made to open up the market, which came even before Thatcher and Reagan

2017-07-09 19:22:09 UTC

There is no reason why Chile is a success now and Brazil isn't

2017-07-09 19:22:20 UTC

Except for the fact that Brazil fell in the trap of socialism

2017-07-09 19:23:02 UTC

as we can see now, mass amounts of corruption from these 'well meaning' socialists.

2017-07-09 19:27:52 UTC

I'm somewhat ignorant of Brazilian politics. To be honest.

2017-07-09 19:28:47 UTC

Chile's economy has been entirely propped up by governments though. Mostly it's own and America.

2017-07-09 19:29:14 UTC

Their strongest industry is metal exports I think.

2017-07-09 19:29:25 UTC

Not at all, the government was tyrannical on all points except economical

2017-07-09 19:29:40 UTC

I didn't say tyrannical

2017-07-09 19:29:45 UTC

There was a specific effort in the late 70's to make it a free market, not completely of course

2017-07-09 19:30:01 UTC

they still had their state corporations but compared to the rest of south america it was

2017-07-09 19:30:29 UTC

Well whatever they've two major industries that are talked about constantly.

2017-07-09 19:30:44 UTC

Transportation and copper.

2017-07-09 19:31:10 UTC

Their copper is managed by the government, and has been though the regime changes.

2017-07-09 19:31:11 UTC

Yes, but so does Venezuela and Brazil, immensely rich countries in theory, poor in reality

2017-07-09 19:31:40 UTC

Their trucking and whatnot has always been mostly private.

2017-07-09 19:32:30 UTC

Utter failure, but logistically despite this the Chilean government has been able to manage to keep people fed under both Allende and Pinochet.

2017-07-09 19:32:36 UTC

Even now

2017-07-09 19:33:05 UTC

I never claimed they were a pure free market, but they did slash out a lot of the nonsense in that time

2017-07-09 19:33:08 UTC

and it shows

2017-07-09 19:34:27 UTC

What point are you trying to make?

2017-07-09 19:35:04 UTC

All I'm saying is that the government intervened heavily to make sure the economy worked in a favorable way.

2017-07-09 19:35:09 UTC

That the free market is better at meeting peoples needs than government

2017-07-09 19:35:21 UTC

how so?

2017-07-09 19:35:21 UTC

Not heavily at all compared to other countries

2017-07-09 19:35:57 UTC

Government propping up businesses that can't stand on their own for example

2017-07-09 19:36:06 UTC

an absolute money pit

2017-07-09 19:36:40 UTC

A government owned company that makes money is no problem but most are not and suffer for it

2017-07-09 19:38:00 UTC

Having a business being government owned doesn't mean much if it still is organized like a capitalist company.

2017-07-09 19:38:45 UTC

I mean for a centralized industry it works great

2017-07-09 19:38:50 UTC

A government business will never be organized like a capitalistic company, simply by the fact that it cannot fail.

2017-07-09 19:38:58 UTC

Like for mining or transportation.

2017-07-09 19:39:08 UTC

Worst(best) case scenario it gets sold

2017-07-09 19:39:31 UTC

What kikeshit are you talking about boy?

2017-07-09 19:39:37 UTC

Good reply

2017-07-09 19:40:03 UTC

Everything is "government owned" in America

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