@alines What source does wikipedia source in that?

@Firefly#9983 Okay?

http://www.oneparty.co.uk/compass/compass/com12301.html

The total number of Soviet military advisers, according to Yu. Rybalkin, was about 600 people

About 2400 men alone

Not counting guns and military production consultants that helped build tanks and aviation

@alines Wow, how legitimate.

i think they published to the article cited from COMPASS

@alines Okay? Dosen't change the fact that is a biased and untrustworthy.

because they're tankies?
in love with the soviets and everything they did?

remember, my case is for the anarchists

not the tanks

First of all, I don't know, or even care about COMPASS, second of all, would you state that I provided a trustworthy source if I gave a source from NAZISBLOG.ONLINE? No, you wouldn't and, third, it is quite presumptious of you to ASSUME this is a tankie website, when it includes pro leninist and anarchist articles.

they aren't anarchists, they're tankies, all saying stalin gave only weapons to only the republicans

Again, presumptions.

You don't know if they aren't or are tankies, would a tankie like lenin?

where are your reports that the soviets did provide "EVERYTHING" directly to the anarchists?

Directly or indirectly, what is the difference?

@alines Restating what firefly said, they sent repairmen, tanks, soldiers, planes, medical assistance, intelligence assistance, and more.

to the republicans, for them to later refuse this aid to the anarchists

that's the difference, firefly

Knowing anarchists they might as well sell guns for food.

Why give them aid

@Firefly#9983 True, the anarchists didn't do shit.

no, of course not, they didn't build schools or militias, none of that.
o, but obviously they did

What would be the reason to continue aid anarchists?

@alines Who is "they"?

Rip when people pretend to know about the Spanish Civil War

the anarchists

@alines They didn't build anything then?

He was being sarcastic, but you knew that.

no, they did, i was only mocking what you said

Why is everything in this chat an exercise in futility :l

@Comrade Skeltal What would be the reason to continue aid anarchists?

I dont know what you're talking about

The only aid sent to spain came from Mexico and the USSR

@alines Yhea, it is not like the schools operated for less than a few months, or that the milita's got wiped out almost instantly by the falange.

The aid from the USSR was conditional

It didn't go to anarchists if they could help it

We are talking how Soviets helped Republican, Republican helped anarchists but then stopped.

It went to moderates and marxists

Particularly those assault guards still left behind the front line

And it went to them on a basis of opposing anarchism

wew

How do we know this condition was present?

This was during and after the marxists effectively removed the anarchists from positions of decision making in the republic

What are you talking about

>The aid from the USSR was conditional

Because it was their foreign policy statement for one,

And for two,

@Comrade Skeltal The anarchists were extremely incompitent, this shows when you look at how bad they got beaten by the falange.

Where can we read about that?

You have first hand accounts from Orwell, and various studies about it

Chomsky did the pieces "objectivity in liberal scholarship"

On it

@Comrade Skeltal You got any links to that?

Can you show me where it is so I can read?

And >chomsky

Orwell did his whole piece

Uh I think I have pdfs

But you can Google them

Orwell and chomsky respectively

Chomsky responds to a liberal account of the civil war

Where exactly is the part on conditional aid?

That's some lazyness I see right there.

Will you accept downloads from me?

@Comrade Skeltal >Google it
How about you actually argue for yourself.

No.

Links are better

Cause I can send them if you want

They're links to downloads

So either I send you the pdf myself

Or you download it from a free source

Unless you wanna buy Orwells book

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/2001-11-01/spain-betrayed-soviet-union-spanish-civil-war

Also found this fairly easy

Again, you can look up the soviet unions own reasons for participating in foreign revolutions

Specifically as it was to strengthen their own positions as a state

They specifically didnt arm anarchists as best they could fearing it would sabotage potential relationships with the liberal governments of the West

On the eve of a world war

A world war they knew they'd need support in and were hoping for alliances in.

It is funny how anti'government and anti-national forces of anarchy uses the country name when USSR supported the country and took down anarchism. As if anarchy represents the country somehow.

What

What do you mean use the country name

And what does that have to do with everything we were just talking about.

>Spain Betrayed

My point is you're wrong about the effect for soviet aid,

Is a different topic

Who it went to,

And why

If you'll allow me to send sources, you'll also learn you're wrong about the operations of the anarchists themselves.

Republicans were one with anarchists antil anarchists started to sabotage the government.

Only they didnt sabotage government, the collectived in Catalonia, Basque country, And parts of Andalusia.

What changed was the soviets coming in to strengthen their marxist entities in the government

That is true

The marxists sided with Republican land owners

Essentially being counter revolutionary

And destroying the governance councils in the collectivized areas

That is a question

>Essentially being counter revolutionary

How do we know that?