In fact

Capitalism is bad, period

man you love kim

Being a puppet from the US grants you less military spending

@Hervepärka Watch ```I, Pencil```

i agree @Hervepärka

Ok

capitalism is bad

Let's have a chat about capitalism

My dad is a factory worker

good good

im simply put i think north korea is the lesser of two evils

its closer to socialism than the south

Only doesn't get minimum because he has to work in foreign countries

Which?

Angola

Why did he have to do that

Where do you live?

your father specifically

Because fucking capitalist and neoliberal policies of my country fucked up our economy, leaving the poor poorer and the rich richer

Where does your father live

Only porkies benefited from it, all of the lower class got cucked

Can you answer me please

Why do you wish to know?

Just to see if your situation is so bad as it seems to be

It isnt now, government changed

And knowing which country it is also tells me if porkies are "so ebbil"

Which country is it

Portugal

Minimum wage is about... 600 euros a month IIRC

Right?

No

500

Close

He earns sub minimum?

Cant remember correctly

Sub minimum?

below minimum

Yes ik, he doesnt

I see

I suppose somewhere about 800 a month

Your mother works too?

Close enough but I am not going to disclose that shit here

Yeah okay

Yes she does

Same pay level?

hes a pinochet lover

No

Less

I see

So say 600 a month, 1400 total

Wtf he is pinochet lover?

Lemme see portugal living wage

and no I am not

nice try using assumptions though

I never assumed anything

Though that helicopter nickname

Referring to QE policies from Mario Draghi

Head of ECB, you might know him

https://tradingeconomics.com/portugal/living-wage-family

guys what makes a country

Lets pick a worst case scenario and put a 1000 euro month living wage

Take away from those 1400 social security contributions and the like

Curious, because just today I saw that minimum was at 500

Net income around living still

Not so bad

If my family had that much money alright

I am using some rather solid data on it

Your family may be a deviation but chances are they are like it

@everyone what makes a country

uh

Technically having an army is enough

Sure a deviation

Well, sorry then

Explain how 1 out of 5 families here are living with an income just above minumum

FREE TEXAS

Probably because minimum is high?

if thats what you want me to say

@KingBob1000#0304

go back to pmming me

Or because since Portugal has been controlled by the left wing for so much time

Because of the burden employers have?

Explain how we had rocketing unemployment under a neoliberal governament that sold everything off

Neoliberal government?

You mean the PSD of Passos Coelho?

That is social democrat by the way?

Except that things started getting better with our left wing governament

It is only social democrat by name

The right wing of portugal isnt even right wing, center right at best

Not really it isnt

Okay

Tell me how much did they cut on taxes

On govt spending

portugal isnt democracy

it censor its internet

If anything, they may get a little closer to center economically, but I wont bet on it, after all, passos coelho

yea and internet equals democracy

@ClibtardMario than china is a democracy

I was being ironic

they elect the parter leaders

tfw one party state with no popular vote is democratic

But multiparty state with popular vote isnt

im arguing if china isnt a democracy niether is portugal

Yea both are one party states with no popular vote

The thing with the left wing government

We are not selling of things that profit the state anymore

Such as

Unemployment rate is falling

left wing governments don't exist

we need to make one

Yeah they are a spook

The mail service for example, when it was privatized it just turned into a shitfest

Come to Brazil

Our nationalized mail system is great

And so are the other 148 federal state owned companies

your brazillian

Ours was too

Indeed it is

than why the fuck do you care about portugal

@Hervepärka No I am just kidding

I realized but ours was amazing

@Deleted User Why shouldnt I?

because they were an imperialist power

You had mail on time, almost no mistakes

who colonized you

Good so

and vicimtized you

Most of our problems arent even because of Portugal

We were one of the most prosperous countries in the world under Pedro II

So this talk about colonization fucking us over is a meme

wasnt brazil essentially founded by the royal family of portugal in exile

Indeed it was

so your like taiwan

except you stopped saying your portugal

Not exactly but whatever

Wait actually no

It was founded by colonists just like every other country

Though with royal family we advanced n shieet

The royal family fled there when it was a colony and king Peter the Fourth granted it independence, now being founded, it was portuguese colonists

^

But "Mario" as I was saying

so a gov in exile declared indpendence

thats what your telling me

except no one questioned it

After a decade and half

Our nationalized companies worked like well oiled machines

Which

Mail

Electricity

TAP

american needs to quit being capitalist

TAP?

Portuguese rail system?

Portuguese airlines

Or is it airline?

Oh

For a rail system we Carris, but idk if it is private or not

More examples with shitty capitalism, belmiro de azevedo

Whomst is he

Portugal's richest man, until he met the maker a few weeks ago

He owned a whole line of several supermarkets

america under its absolute capitalist policies people were fucking starving

Maker?

HE DED

Ah lol

He pays his employees minimum and sub minimum

Well, he paid

But his son keeps the legacy

I suppose Portugal has no other important supermarket companies then

He's not the only example of that, but whatever

Has, but he's the main guy

"LEL NEWB CUMMIENISTS UR SYSTEM SUCKS CUZ PINOCHET" - @ClibtardMario

We have some foreign ones as well, and minor ones outside of azevedo's grasp

I suppose he also had govt lobby influence

Well there are cases around that indeed

Now that is the problem

Crony capitalism

But now the guns regarding that are pointed to the country's main porky scoundrel

Ricardo Salgado, banker

Profitting off what?

off of*

Conned a bunch of people and did backside deals with former ministers

@ClibtardMario what would you do if your government converted to leninism

t. crony capitalism

@Deleted User commit seppuku

the inevitable result of capitalism

Proffiting like all banks do, wether legally, through loopholes or illegally

oligarchy

Or just go to Portugal since I might get citizenship to there soon kek

@Hervepärka how would you feel if your gov converted to leninism

tomorrow

@Deleted User The inevitable result of expansionary govt policies

"Muh welfare"

I'd feel partly satisfied, partly on my guard

"Why cant my government give me free healthcare and free college"

You against that?

Indeed

why

you want a population full of retard

and sick people

Government expansion coincided with a more volatile economy and a slower growth

And also more income inequality recently, ironically

Sure thing

and you cant tax the rich

because ?

Technically you can

Because it is "immoral to take money they dont want to give"

Then they should tax them

they who

The rich...

the rich should tax the rich

@Hervepärka if rich people can do it so hould i be able to I REFUSE TO PAY TAXES

🤔

that would go out so welll

the rich should be taxed by the gov

or have thier wealth taken away directly

Technically you cant refuse to pay taxes otherwise you would soon receive a nice visit from the nearest tax officer

Agreed

With SA

But you can move away

north korea has no taxes

Evasão fiscal, uma delicia

It does

not officially

@Hervepärka Sonegação é legítima defesa 👌

Yes officially

@ClibtardMario how would you feel if the usa turned leninist

In fact, NK govt takes away roughly 45% of their workers wages as tax

Plus

The hidden sales tax

Which is just rebranded to "Socialist Economic Fee" or whatever it is called

Officially, there are no taxes in North Korea. The date of 1 April is the North Korean "Tax Abolition Day". North Korea claims that North Korea is the world's only tax-free country.

Yeah

Go on for four more lines

@ClibtardMario sonegação... A legitimate defense...

In either way, even if it really didnt the govt would finance itself through money printing

Which generates inflation which is basically a tax

north korea will have nukes no matter what

My own two cents about that draghi

you cant stop them 😃

It has already but ok

exactly

Bullshit

they will always have nukes

I was joking you know

im talking about north korea will always have nukes

Tax evasion is rather shit but you should expect that on countries with endless tax codes and abusive brackets

t. brazil

they have a right to defend themselfs

ok