and he deported thousands of my people to Siberia

he shouldeve been thrown to an acid bath

what people

Capitalism is the only lasting ideology

Estonians

my people

HA

Capitalism is degenerate too

estonians

>laos

>vietnam

estionians are cool but teh country shit

whats with the "ha"

>north korea

>china

>cuba

/ourguys/

Capitalism is the only lasting ideology tho

>china

Its because its natural

What do you mean

@chill with that shit our parlament is bullshit yeah

>communist

atleast the right side is awakening more and more in eastern europe

Do you seriously think capitalism is the end of history

Wealth is more often distributed unequaly

Capitalism is a degenerate hope for more and more wealth

Communism is a degenerate hope that all could be equal

you are not entitled to the product of someone elses labor

@Vootele
No, it forces the producer to keep up with the consumers wishes

Which develops a nation

In capitalistic world people mostly think of gain

@chill with that shit You're exactly right

No shit

and that degenerate

all should live in a forest

free from politics

Thats why im pretty anti welfare

Its how people produce new shit

where elite and plebs have a clear border

aristocracy exists

i get helping people down on there luck but come on free healthcare? gtfo

You realize that it's the workers that produce the money for the capitalist?

sure, people are born into welth

some need to earn it

like nigga

they work

just like in communism

Dont come with your worker bullshit if you havent worked a day

wow

A real commie

In capitalism anyone can be a millionaire if they work hard enough

this is fact

Have you worked a labour job?

ofc i have

No, the communist guy

https://discord.gg/tMfHnJx

oh

capitalism is one of the best systems we currently have

Yes

only problem is theres a lot of greedy corps

kikeitalism

so i aint some crazy free market libertarian

Hey commie? Care to continue debaiting?

cause thats bs

join stalingrad

Real man

Volgagrad.

thats shitty vignette let me make it better

so what u doin going around getting peoples ideology trying to see what ones best @KoalaBear ?

there

burn it

stalingrad is the last left-wing anti kike discord

I'm trying to find out what Kralj Samo was, apart from a monarchist

What a waste of a noble colour for the millions of those flags

My boi

Unless they painted them in the blood from all those who died under it

heh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhPvJOnHotE

this made me cringe

>hammer and sickle in tsarist russia

Alt lite

@Deleted User

what

wdym what

what i said was pretty clear

the music video takes place in modern russia tho, not tsarrist, unless you talking about the song itself

i am talking about the actual song

ah

it is set in tsarist russia

so a hammer and sickle doesnt make sense

well thats cause it aint teh actual animation

that animation was takin from another song

whats it taken from

love the way you move

but not even that makes sense

but it true

does that song even have anything to do with the soviet union or russia?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wga5A6R9BJg

is this some sort of trend i missed out on

putting random music over this footage?

idk

but thats the original song for the vid

also yes

that was really popular for a lil bit

cause it goes with anything

oh

Fucking coons am I right

So are y'all fuckers a buncha 4chan commies

howdy dudes

is this a pretty active discord channel?

It's got over 1k members

So ya @quiscalus

ok cool I post on /leftypol/ a bit

It has a lot of people

But not everyone posts

the only board on 8ch I post on really but I post on /k/ and /v/ on the old 4chins

yo if you profit off capital you own and gain from workers labor that makes you no longer a prole right?

You could still be a prole

A high-ranked prole

Somewhere in between prole and businessman

I suppose that would be a Manager

I am no expert on marx but isn't anyone who has a bank account profiting from the labor of workers but in a very minor way

What if you are a worker with a bank account?

like I have a bank account and they require me to keep a 5 americabux min in it but they loan out money to capitalists to create businesses and if successful they extract labor from workers giving some of that capital to the bank and then a bit to me via interest

like I am a dude that makes min wage, but since I have 5 bucks in my savings account am I no longer a prole and now a petite petite bourgeoisie

?

I don't think so

Bankers gonna bank

You're just putting your money in there

what is the line between petite bourgeoisie and prole? is it the amount of capital you own, or how much of your earnings come from the exploitation of labor?

A petite bourgeois is like a small business owner

I would say the amount of your earnings that come from other people's labor

yeah I think that is what he meant when talking about them

You can have a super high skilled worker that makes big bucks, like an engineer, but he's still a prole in some sense

He does really important work that not just anyone can do, and therefore he is payed well

what about people who invest in businesses like individuals who buy and sell stocks and commodities?

Possibly

yeah because he is a wage worker, and not an owner of capital

I know a few friends that do stock market trading, you could say they make profit from the success of the workers of the company they invest in

my place of work is very hard to improve the standards in because most people that work there are people who are on the bottom of american society like felons and immigrants from SE Asia everyone is too afraid to lose their job to demand better conditions including myself

Rough situation

Working alongside felons and immigrants is tough shit

yeah I only really have job at my work because the light duty workers there aka the injured can't do the work because you need to speak english, read and write, and move around a bit which is hard for the injured

pretty much because it is agricultural work they fuck over the workers, like it is legal to not pay overtime and pay the standard wage for people working over 40 hours a week

Can you escape that situation?

well I kind of live check to check and only have a bit of college education and okish work history also I am lucky and I do security so my job is much easier than most peoples, it pays my bills so I stick with it

like I have to work less to qualify for medicaid in my state so I had to drop 4 days a month to fall into the income range but that leaves me with about 300 bucks less money per month

Alright, so you got a stable life, even if you are missing out on cash

yeah I think I am much better off now that in the past

Do you have any room-mates or a waifu?

I used to be on neetbux having to resort to crime to have enough money to live

yeah I got 2 roomies and have a surprisingly cheap apartment for the area

Not bad

like my family signed me up for neetbux when I turned 18 because I am kind of a nervous wreck with anxiety but got kicked off last year and found a job the next day but I was homeless for a bit because I couldn't afford rent losing my neetbux and it was a while before I got payed at my new job

Homeless and had to resort to crime? How was that?

but eventually I landed my current job it is min wage but we have a high min wage in my state thankfully and it is a full time position

well I was lucky enough to have friends that let me stay on their couches and floors

What state are you at?

but when I got neetbux I only got 740 monthly but with rent, utilities, bus fare, internet, and phone bills it really doesn't cover it so I saved some money to buy a bit of grass to sell

WA

Freaking everyone I met on the net is from Washington

I sold cannabis when I was younger in TX, it is not a crime I feel too bad about considering I think cannabis is less harmful than booze and fast food

I was from Austin originally but housing prices increased dramatically where I couldn't afford to live there and my neetbux were not enough to get a lease I was stuck homeless being a drug dealer for a while

but I am older got a more stable life for a real job and don't have to do any crimes to supplement my income

Good to hear

yeah I am happy my life is less stressful living on that knifes edge really makes you dread waking up sometimes

it is weird here because I live in a super leftist and liberal city but most of my friends are young leftists obsessed with idpol and less about class

also they aren't ever motivated to do anything

I will be back I need to back some cookies

Like, SJW friends?

yeah they are nice and mean well but go to a super SJW uni

sorry I am just greasing my cookie sheet

We have a special place for those kinds of leftists...

holy shit that is hilarious I used to be a crazy anprim and read zerzan and TK's work mainlly industrial society and its future

Unabomber was an absolute Madman. American Mad-Genius, but damnit, he was right about everything

let me look that up since that image is small and hard to read

Can you zoom in?

I think he was right about some things, like him talking about the alienation that comes from division of labor and his theory of the power process is interesting but I am not sure how well it really maps on to humans and psychology

I just googled the title

is it this? https://genius.com/Unabomber-the-danger-of-leftism-annotated

The absolute Madman

yeah I think TK talking about the failures of leftists resonates with my beliefs but I am not sure how to evaluate how true they are

Dude is a Mathematical genius with an IQ of 167

He's on the ball

but I gave up my anprim beliefs for two reasons mainly people will never abandon technology as long as it allows them to meet their evolutionary goals nobody is going to roll back agriculture to pre green revolution ways because it feeds most of the world

the reason I gave up on anarchism is because I think when leftists gain real autonomy and political power in an area they are often under military threat from preexisting states and needs a state to have a functional military to resist agression

Nazi Germany delclares alliance with Japan -1940

when you look at the paris commune, ukranian black army, korean anarchists all crushed by outside states

anarchism is big haha

all anarchist schools of thought are jokes

it's all a big meme

should not be taken seriously

yeah I feel there is an appeal of anarchism but I am doubtful in it's application both currently and historically

@quiscalus Anarchy is always temporary.

my question is with a super powerful military and a wealthy western democracy is there any reasonable alternative to reform through electoral politics?

*in the US

Super powerful? You mean the same guys who got their asses kicked in afghanistan and vietnam and bugged out to save face?

They will be fully neutered once oil becomes impractical to use due to the scarcity and cost of it.

It's ok we can always sell the Saudis bombers that use green energy lol

they can bomb and family in Yemen using munitions that are sustainably sourced

hey guys i have an idea let's let the saudis bomb our own buildings and then use that as a pretense to invade iraq for their oil

@quiscalus The saudi's will collapse once oil becomes too expensive and impractical to use, since their whole nation is built upon it.

sorry will be back later tonight go to go to a dinner party

^

howdy fellow lefties

got back from my dinner get together

do you guys have any local leftist organization you dudes work with? I was looking into my local DSA but I never been part of any leftist group

you mean something like antifa?

or perhaps some DNC subdivision?

disgusting

No, he's not an ignorant, emotionally-driven cuck like yourself.

why are you so hostile

to

literally everyone here

are you cosplaying as that guy from adventure time

lemongrab?

I personally just consumed leftist media, donated to charity, and tried to vote in the best way possible as a leftist

He means a political organization whose views and aims are opposed to either of the major capitalist parties.

he said leftist

I have never been part of any organization I feel kind of strange going into any formal thing like this I would hate for it to get back to my work

I'm almost certain he is talking about a socialist organization.

i will encourage you to partake in the political process, however i will also warn you that many of these groups have violent associations with them

you may want to avoid them if you care about your job

I have not read enough theory to properly define my beliefs like I am unsure about markets, and currency or labor vouchers, etc?

yeah I am not interested in losing my job or my license to carry a gun

@quiscalus You will undergo a trial phase with any of the major socialist organizations in which your theoretical knowledge will be tested.

so you are fairly new to this realm then

this realm of politics

very mean i'll tell you that

During this time you will be educated on Marxist theory.

I have been a left leaning liberal for a while just never read or listened to anything serious theory wise like never read capital from marx or any of lenin's stuff either

I was a person to confused the welfare state with socialism because that is an idea that is popular in mainstream politics

The organizations of which I speak are to the left of liberalism. I highly suggest you delve into the major Marxist works beforehand. Read some Marx and Lenin.

also that being against capitalism was being against trade or not owning personal property

well look, if i could give you any advice, it's to be open-minded

the left is pretty hard at attracting average people because lots of leftist ideas are distorted to appear unappealing