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and he deported thousands of my people to Siberia
he shouldeve been thrown to an acid bath
Capitalism is the only lasting ideology
Capitalism is degenerate too
estionians are cool but teh country shit
whats with the "ha"
Capitalism is the only lasting ideology tho
Its because its natural
What do you mean
atleast the right side is awakening more and more in eastern europe
Do you seriously think capitalism is the end of history
Wealth is more often distributed unequaly
Capitalism is a degenerate hope for more and more wealth
Communism is a degenerate hope that all could be equal
you are not entitled to the product of someone elses labor
No, it forces the producer to keep up with the consumers wishes
Which develops a nation
In capitalistic world people mostly think of gain
and that degenerate
all should live in a forest
free from politics
Thats why im pretty anti welfare
Its how people produce new shit
where elite and plebs have a clear border
i get helping people down on there luck but come on free healthcare? gtfo
You realize that it's the workers that produce the money for the capitalist?
sure, people are born into welth
some need to earn it
just like in communism
Dont come with your worker bullshit if you havent worked a day
A real commie
In capitalism anyone can be a millionaire if they work hard enough
this is fact
Have you worked a labour job?
ofc i have
No, the communist guy
capitalism is one of the best systems we currently have
only problem is theres a lot of greedy corps
so i aint some crazy free market libertarian
Hey commie? Care to continue debaiting?
cause thats bs
thats shitty vignette let me make it better
so what u doin going around getting peoples ideology trying to see what ones best @KoalaBear ?
stalingrad is the last left-wing anti kike discord
I'm trying to find out what Kralj Samo was, apart from a monarchist
What a waste of a noble colour for the millions of those flags
Unless they painted them in the blood from all those who died under it
this made me cringe
>hammer and sickle in tsarist russia
what i said was pretty clear
the music video takes place in modern russia tho, not tsarrist, unless you talking about the song itself
i am talking about the actual song
it is set in tsarist russia
so a hammer and sickle doesnt make sense
well thats cause it aint teh actual animation
that animation was takin from another song
whats it taken from
love the way you move
but not even that makes sense
but it true
does that song even have anything to do with the soviet union or russia?
is this some sort of trend i missed out on
putting random music over this footage?
but thats the original song for the vid
that was really popular for a lil bit
cause it goes with anything
Fucking coons am I right
So are y'all fuckers a buncha 4chan commies
is this a pretty active discord channel?
It's got over 1k members
ok cool I post on /leftypol/ a bit
It has a lot of people
But not everyone posts
the only board on 8ch I post on really but I post on /k/ and /v/ on the old 4chins
yo if you profit off capital you own and gain from workers labor that makes you no longer a prole right?
You could still be a prole
A high-ranked prole
Somewhere in between prole and businessman
I suppose that would be a Manager
I am no expert on marx but isn't anyone who has a bank account profiting from the labor of workers but in a very minor way
What if you are a worker with a bank account?
like I have a bank account and they require me to keep a 5 americabux min in it but they loan out money to capitalists to create businesses and if successful they extract labor from workers giving some of that capital to the bank and then a bit to me via interest
like I am a dude that makes min wage, but since I have 5 bucks in my savings account am I no longer a prole and now a petite petite bourgeoisie
I don't think so
Bankers gonna bank
You're just putting your money in there
what is the line between petite bourgeoisie and prole? is it the amount of capital you own, or how much of your earnings come from the exploitation of labor?
A petite bourgeois is like a small business owner
I would say the amount of your earnings that come from other people's labor
yeah I think that is what he meant when talking about them
You can have a super high skilled worker that makes big bucks, like an engineer, but he's still a prole in some sense
He does really important work that not just anyone can do, and therefore he is payed well
what about people who invest in businesses like individuals who buy and sell stocks and commodities?
yeah because he is a wage worker, and not an owner of capital
I know a few friends that do stock market trading, you could say they make profit from the success of the workers of the company they invest in
my place of work is very hard to improve the standards in because most people that work there are people who are on the bottom of american society like felons and immigrants from SE Asia everyone is too afraid to lose their job to demand better conditions including myself
Working alongside felons and immigrants is tough shit
yeah I only really have job at my work because the light duty workers there aka the injured can't do the work because you need to speak english, read and write, and move around a bit which is hard for the injured
pretty much because it is agricultural work they fuck over the workers, like it is legal to not pay overtime and pay the standard wage for people working over 40 hours a week
Can you escape that situation?
well I kind of live check to check and only have a bit of college education and okish work history also I am lucky and I do security so my job is much easier than most peoples, it pays my bills so I stick with it
like I have to work less to qualify for medicaid in my state so I had to drop 4 days a month to fall into the income range but that leaves me with about 300 bucks less money per month
Alright, so you got a stable life, even if you are missing out on cash
yeah I think I am much better off now that in the past
Do you have any room-mates or a waifu?
I used to be on neetbux having to resort to crime to have enough money to live
yeah I got 2 roomies and have a surprisingly cheap apartment for the area
like my family signed me up for neetbux when I turned 18 because I am kind of a nervous wreck with anxiety but got kicked off last year and found a job the next day but I was homeless for a bit because I couldn't afford rent losing my neetbux and it was a while before I got payed at my new job
Homeless and had to resort to crime? How was that?
but eventually I landed my current job it is min wage but we have a high min wage in my state thankfully and it is a full time position
well I was lucky enough to have friends that let me stay on their couches and floors
What state are you at?
but when I got neetbux I only got 740 monthly but with rent, utilities, bus fare, internet, and phone bills it really doesn't cover it so I saved some money to buy a bit of grass to sell
Freaking everyone I met on the net is from Washington
I sold cannabis when I was younger in TX, it is not a crime I feel too bad about considering I think cannabis is less harmful than booze and fast food
I was from Austin originally but housing prices increased dramatically where I couldn't afford to live there and my neetbux were not enough to get a lease I was stuck homeless being a drug dealer for a while
but I am older got a more stable life for a real job and don't have to do any crimes to supplement my income
Good to hear
yeah I am happy my life is less stressful living on that knifes edge really makes you dread waking up sometimes
it is weird here because I live in a super leftist and liberal city but most of my friends are young leftists obsessed with idpol and less about class
also they aren't ever motivated to do anything
I will be back I need to back some cookies
Like, SJW friends?
yeah they are nice and mean well but go to a super SJW uni
sorry I am just greasing my cookie sheet
We have a special place for those kinds of leftists...
holy shit that is hilarious I used to be a crazy anprim and read zerzan and TK's work mainlly industrial society and its future
Unabomber was an absolute Madman. American Mad-Genius, but damnit, he was right about everything
let me look that up since that image is small and hard to read
Can you zoom in?
I think he was right about some things, like him talking about the alienation that comes from division of labor and his theory of the power process is interesting but I am not sure how well it really maps on to humans and psychology
I just googled the title
The absolute Madman
yeah I think TK talking about the failures of leftists resonates with my beliefs but I am not sure how to evaluate how true they are
Dude is a Mathematical genius with an IQ of 167
He's on the ball
but I gave up my anprim beliefs for two reasons mainly people will never abandon technology as long as it allows them to meet their evolutionary goals nobody is going to roll back agriculture to pre green revolution ways because it feeds most of the world
the reason I gave up on anarchism is because I think when leftists gain real autonomy and political power in an area they are often under military threat from preexisting states and needs a state to have a functional military to resist agression
Nazi Germany delclares alliance with Japan -1940
when you look at the paris commune, ukranian black army, korean anarchists all crushed by outside states
anarchism is big haha
all anarchist schools of thought are jokes
it's all a big meme
should not be taken seriously
yeah I feel there is an appeal of anarchism but I am doubtful in it's application both currently and historically
my question is with a super powerful military and a wealthy western democracy is there any reasonable alternative to reform through electoral politics?
*in the US
Super powerful? You mean the same guys who got their asses kicked in afghanistan and vietnam and bugged out to save face?
They will be fully neutered once oil becomes impractical to use due to the scarcity and cost of it.
It's ok we can always sell the Saudis bombers that use green energy lol
they can bomb and family in Yemen using munitions that are sustainably sourced
hey guys i have an idea let's let the saudis bomb our own buildings and then use that as a pretense to invade iraq for their oil
@quiscalus The saudi's will collapse once oil becomes too expensive and impractical to use, since their whole nation is built upon it.
sorry will be back later tonight go to go to a dinner party
howdy fellow lefties
got back from my dinner get together
do you guys have any local leftist organization you dudes work with? I was looking into my local DSA but I never been part of any leftist group
you mean something like antifa?
or perhaps some DNC subdivision?
No, he's not an ignorant, emotionally-driven cuck like yourself.
why are you so hostile
literally everyone here
are you cosplaying as that guy from adventure time
I personally just consumed leftist media, donated to charity, and tried to vote in the best way possible as a leftist
He means a political organization whose views and aims are opposed to either of the major capitalist parties.
he said leftist
I have never been part of any organization I feel kind of strange going into any formal thing like this I would hate for it to get back to my work
I'm almost certain he is talking about a socialist organization.
i will encourage you to partake in the political process, however i will also warn you that many of these groups have violent associations with them
you may want to avoid them if you care about your job
I have not read enough theory to properly define my beliefs like I am unsure about markets, and currency or labor vouchers, etc?
yeah I am not interested in losing my job or my license to carry a gun
@quiscalus You will undergo a trial phase with any of the major socialist organizations in which your theoretical knowledge will be tested.
so you are fairly new to this realm then
this realm of politics
very mean i'll tell you that
During this time you will be educated on Marxist theory.
I have been a left leaning liberal for a while just never read or listened to anything serious theory wise like never read capital from marx or any of lenin's stuff either
I was a person to confused the welfare state with socialism because that is an idea that is popular in mainstream politics
The organizations of which I speak are to the left of liberalism. I highly suggest you delve into the major Marxist works beforehand. Read some Marx and Lenin.
also that being against capitalism was being against trade or not owning personal property
well look, if i could give you any advice, it's to be open-minded
the left is pretty hard at attracting average people because lots of leftist ideas are distorted to appear unappealing