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2017-12-04 21:29:11 UTC

and he deported thousands of my people to Siberia

2017-12-04 21:29:18 UTC

he shouldeve been thrown to an acid bath

2017-12-04 21:29:21 UTC

what people

2017-12-04 21:29:25 UTC

Capitalism is the only lasting ideology

2017-12-04 21:29:25 UTC

Estonians

2017-12-04 21:29:26 UTC

my people

2017-12-04 21:29:31 UTC

HA

2017-12-04 21:29:32 UTC

Capitalism is degenerate too

2017-12-04 21:29:32 UTC

estonians

2017-12-04 21:29:38 UTC

>laos

2017-12-04 21:29:39 UTC

>vietnam

2017-12-04 21:29:40 UTC

estionians are cool but teh country shit

2017-12-04 21:29:41 UTC

whats with the "ha"

2017-12-04 21:29:42 UTC

>north korea

2017-12-04 21:29:43 UTC

>china

2017-12-04 21:29:44 UTC

>cuba

2017-12-04 21:29:47 UTC

/ourguys/

2017-12-04 21:29:51 UTC

Capitalism is the only lasting ideology tho

2017-12-04 21:30:06 UTC

>china

2017-12-04 21:30:06 UTC

Its because its natural

2017-12-04 21:30:07 UTC

What do you mean

2017-12-04 21:30:07 UTC

@chill with that shit our parlament is bullshit yeah

2017-12-04 21:30:10 UTC

>communist

2017-12-04 21:30:16 UTC

atleast the right side is awakening more and more in eastern europe

2017-12-04 21:30:18 UTC

Do you seriously think capitalism is the end of history

2017-12-04 21:30:29 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387355002340900866/yes.jpg

2017-12-04 21:30:31 UTC

Wealth is more often distributed unequaly

2017-12-04 21:30:37 UTC

Capitalism is a degenerate hope for more and more wealth

2017-12-04 21:30:52 UTC

Communism is a degenerate hope that all could be equal

2017-12-04 21:31:03 UTC

you are not entitled to the product of someone elses labor

2017-12-04 21:31:04 UTC

@Vootele
No, it forces the producer to keep up with the consumers wishes

2017-12-04 21:31:09 UTC

Which develops a nation

2017-12-04 21:31:27 UTC

In capitalistic world people mostly think of gain

2017-12-04 21:31:29 UTC

@chill with that shit You're exactly right

2017-12-04 21:31:32 UTC

No shit

2017-12-04 21:31:33 UTC

and that degenerate

2017-12-04 21:31:37 UTC

all should live in a forest

2017-12-04 21:31:44 UTC

free from politics

2017-12-04 21:31:48 UTC

Thats why im pretty anti welfare

2017-12-04 21:31:52 UTC

Its how people produce new shit

2017-12-04 21:31:56 UTC

where elite and plebs have a clear border

2017-12-04 21:32:00 UTC

aristocracy exists

2017-12-04 21:32:13 UTC

i get helping people down on there luck but come on free healthcare? gtfo

2017-12-04 21:32:15 UTC

You realize that it's the workers that produce the money for the capitalist?

2017-12-04 21:32:16 UTC

sure, people are born into welth

2017-12-04 21:32:22 UTC

some need to earn it

2017-12-04 21:32:24 UTC

like nigga

2017-12-04 21:32:27 UTC

they work

2017-12-04 21:32:30 UTC

just like in communism

2017-12-04 21:32:33 UTC

Dont come with your worker bullshit if you havent worked a day

2017-12-04 21:32:39 UTC

wow

2017-12-04 21:32:45 UTC

A real commie

2017-12-04 21:32:55 UTC

In capitalism anyone can be a millionaire if they work hard enough

2017-12-04 21:32:57 UTC

this is fact

2017-12-04 21:33:03 UTC

Have you worked a labour job?

2017-12-04 21:33:08 UTC

ofc i have

2017-12-04 21:33:17 UTC

No, the communist guy

2017-12-04 21:33:19 UTC

oh

2017-12-04 21:33:40 UTC

capitalism is one of the best systems we currently have

2017-12-04 21:33:45 UTC

Yes

2017-12-04 21:33:56 UTC

only problem is theres a lot of greedy corps

2017-12-04 21:33:59 UTC

kikeitalism

2017-12-04 21:34:23 UTC

so i aint some crazy free market libertarian

2017-12-04 21:34:25 UTC

Hey commie? Care to continue debaiting?

2017-12-04 21:34:25 UTC

cause thats bs

2017-12-04 21:35:51 UTC

join stalingrad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387356354442166272/stalingradnovignette2.png

2017-12-04 21:36:01 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387356395474780173/image.jpg

2017-12-04 21:36:05 UTC

Real man

2017-12-04 21:36:06 UTC

Volgagrad.

2017-12-04 21:37:24 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387356742243188746/stalingradvignette.png

2017-12-04 21:37:38 UTC

thats shitty vignette let me make it better

2017-12-04 21:38:02 UTC

so what u doin going around getting peoples ideology trying to see what ones best @KoalaBear ?

2017-12-04 21:38:08 UTC

there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387356927602065418/stalingradvignette.png

2017-12-04 21:38:17 UTC

burn it

2017-12-04 21:38:33 UTC

stalingrad is the last left-wing anti kike discord

2017-12-04 21:38:37 UTC

I'm trying to find out what Kralj Samo was, apart from a monarchist

2017-12-04 21:39:04 UTC

What a waste of a noble colour for the millions of those flags

2017-12-04 21:39:12 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387357198084472835/image.png

2017-12-04 21:39:16 UTC

My boi

2017-12-04 21:39:29 UTC

Unless they painted them in the blood from all those who died under it

2017-12-04 21:39:52 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387357363587252245/Capture.PNG

2017-12-04 21:39:53 UTC

heh

2017-12-04 21:40:24 UTC

this made me cringe

2017-12-04 21:40:29 UTC

>hammer and sickle in tsarist russia

2017-12-04 21:40:33 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387357536120209429/image.jpg

2017-12-04 21:40:35 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387357545834086400/image.jpg

2017-12-04 21:40:42 UTC

Alt lite

2017-12-04 21:42:02 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387357907643006987/image.png

2017-12-04 21:43:19 UTC
2017-12-04 21:43:20 UTC

what

2017-12-04 21:43:45 UTC

wdym what

2017-12-04 21:43:48 UTC

what i said was pretty clear

2017-12-04 21:43:51 UTC

the music video takes place in modern russia tho, not tsarrist, unless you talking about the song itself

2017-12-04 21:44:04 UTC

i am talking about the actual song

2017-12-04 21:44:09 UTC

ah

2017-12-04 21:44:10 UTC

it is set in tsarist russia

2017-12-04 21:44:17 UTC

so a hammer and sickle doesnt make sense

2017-12-04 21:44:28 UTC

well thats cause it aint teh actual animation

2017-12-04 21:44:34 UTC

that animation was takin from another song

2017-12-04 21:45:01 UTC

whats it taken from

2017-12-04 21:45:22 UTC

love the way you move

2017-12-04 21:46:06 UTC

but not even that makes sense

2017-12-04 21:46:08 UTC

but it true

2017-12-04 21:46:29 UTC

does that song even have anything to do with the soviet union or russia?

2017-12-04 21:46:57 UTC

is this some sort of trend i missed out on

2017-12-04 21:47:08 UTC

putting random music over this footage?

2017-12-04 21:47:54 UTC

idk

2017-12-04 21:48:05 UTC

but thats the original song for the vid

2017-12-04 21:48:07 UTC

also yes

2017-12-04 21:48:15 UTC

that was really popular for a lil bit

2017-12-04 21:48:20 UTC

cause it goes with anything

2017-12-04 21:48:50 UTC

oh

2017-12-04 23:19:18 UTC

Fucking coons am I right

2017-12-05 00:38:30 UTC

So are y'all fuckers a buncha 4chan commies

2017-12-05 00:52:14 UTC

howdy dudes

2017-12-05 00:52:30 UTC

is this a pretty active discord channel?

2017-12-05 01:01:05 UTC

It's got over 1k members

2017-12-05 01:01:07 UTC
2017-12-05 01:01:22 UTC

ok cool I post on /leftypol/ a bit

2017-12-05 01:01:33 UTC

It has a lot of people

2017-12-05 01:01:43 UTC

But not everyone posts

2017-12-05 01:01:49 UTC

the only board on 8ch I post on really but I post on /k/ and /v/ on the old 4chins

2017-12-05 01:02:57 UTC

yo if you profit off capital you own and gain from workers labor that makes you no longer a prole right?

2017-12-05 01:03:37 UTC

You could still be a prole

2017-12-05 01:03:51 UTC

A high-ranked prole

2017-12-05 01:04:10 UTC

Somewhere in between prole and businessman

2017-12-05 01:04:20 UTC

I suppose that would be a Manager

2017-12-05 01:04:31 UTC

I am no expert on marx but isn't anyone who has a bank account profiting from the labor of workers but in a very minor way

2017-12-05 01:04:48 UTC

What if you are a worker with a bank account?

2017-12-05 01:05:51 UTC

like I have a bank account and they require me to keep a 5 americabux min in it but they loan out money to capitalists to create businesses and if successful they extract labor from workers giving some of that capital to the bank and then a bit to me via interest

2017-12-05 01:07:34 UTC

like I am a dude that makes min wage, but since I have 5 bucks in my savings account am I no longer a prole and now a petite petite bourgeoisie

2017-12-05 01:07:35 UTC

?

2017-12-05 01:07:48 UTC

I don't think so

2017-12-05 01:07:54 UTC

Bankers gonna bank

2017-12-05 01:08:16 UTC

You're just putting your money in there

2017-12-05 01:08:44 UTC

what is the line between petite bourgeoisie and prole? is it the amount of capital you own, or how much of your earnings come from the exploitation of labor?

2017-12-05 01:09:02 UTC

A petite bourgeois is like a small business owner

2017-12-05 01:09:28 UTC

I would say the amount of your earnings that come from other people's labor

2017-12-05 01:10:02 UTC

yeah I think that is what he meant when talking about them

2017-12-05 01:10:03 UTC

You can have a super high skilled worker that makes big bucks, like an engineer, but he's still a prole in some sense

2017-12-05 01:10:41 UTC

He does really important work that not just anyone can do, and therefore he is payed well

2017-12-05 01:11:05 UTC

what about people who invest in businesses like individuals who buy and sell stocks and commodities?

2017-12-05 01:11:19 UTC

Possibly

2017-12-05 01:11:36 UTC

yeah because he is a wage worker, and not an owner of capital

2017-12-05 01:11:51 UTC

I know a few friends that do stock market trading, you could say they make profit from the success of the workers of the company they invest in

2017-12-05 01:12:41 UTC

my place of work is very hard to improve the standards in because most people that work there are people who are on the bottom of american society like felons and immigrants from SE Asia everyone is too afraid to lose their job to demand better conditions including myself

2017-12-05 01:13:12 UTC

Rough situation

2017-12-05 01:13:35 UTC

Working alongside felons and immigrants is tough shit

2017-12-05 01:14:28 UTC

yeah I only really have job at my work because the light duty workers there aka the injured can't do the work because you need to speak english, read and write, and move around a bit which is hard for the injured

2017-12-05 01:15:16 UTC

pretty much because it is agricultural work they fuck over the workers, like it is legal to not pay overtime and pay the standard wage for people working over 40 hours a week

2017-12-05 01:15:42 UTC

Can you escape that situation?

2017-12-05 01:17:04 UTC

well I kind of live check to check and only have a bit of college education and okish work history also I am lucky and I do security so my job is much easier than most peoples, it pays my bills so I stick with it

2017-12-05 01:18:05 UTC

like I have to work less to qualify for medicaid in my state so I had to drop 4 days a month to fall into the income range but that leaves me with about 300 bucks less money per month

2017-12-05 01:18:28 UTC

Alright, so you got a stable life, even if you are missing out on cash

2017-12-05 01:18:42 UTC

yeah I think I am much better off now that in the past

2017-12-05 01:18:52 UTC

Do you have any room-mates or a waifu?

2017-12-05 01:19:00 UTC

I used to be on neetbux having to resort to crime to have enough money to live

2017-12-05 01:19:19 UTC

yeah I got 2 roomies and have a surprisingly cheap apartment for the area

2017-12-05 01:19:29 UTC

Not bad

2017-12-05 01:20:34 UTC

like my family signed me up for neetbux when I turned 18 because I am kind of a nervous wreck with anxiety but got kicked off last year and found a job the next day but I was homeless for a bit because I couldn't afford rent losing my neetbux and it was a while before I got payed at my new job

2017-12-05 01:21:05 UTC

Homeless and had to resort to crime? How was that?

2017-12-05 01:21:10 UTC

but eventually I landed my current job it is min wage but we have a high min wage in my state thankfully and it is a full time position

2017-12-05 01:21:28 UTC

well I was lucky enough to have friends that let me stay on their couches and floors

2017-12-05 01:22:18 UTC

What state are you at?

2017-12-05 01:22:20 UTC

but when I got neetbux I only got 740 monthly but with rent, utilities, bus fare, internet, and phone bills it really doesn't cover it so I saved some money to buy a bit of grass to sell

2017-12-05 01:22:23 UTC

WA

2017-12-05 01:22:56 UTC

Freaking everyone I met on the net is from Washington

2017-12-05 01:23:06 UTC

I sold cannabis when I was younger in TX, it is not a crime I feel too bad about considering I think cannabis is less harmful than booze and fast food

2017-12-05 01:24:20 UTC

I was from Austin originally but housing prices increased dramatically where I couldn't afford to live there and my neetbux were not enough to get a lease I was stuck homeless being a drug dealer for a while

2017-12-05 01:25:02 UTC

but I am older got a more stable life for a real job and don't have to do any crimes to supplement my income

2017-12-05 01:25:37 UTC

Good to hear

2017-12-05 01:26:57 UTC

yeah I am happy my life is less stressful living on that knifes edge really makes you dread waking up sometimes

2017-12-05 01:27:37 UTC

it is weird here because I live in a super leftist and liberal city but most of my friends are young leftists obsessed with idpol and less about class

2017-12-05 01:27:51 UTC

also they aren't ever motivated to do anything

2017-12-05 01:28:23 UTC

I will be back I need to back some cookies

2017-12-05 01:29:12 UTC

Like, SJW friends?

2017-12-05 01:45:11 UTC

yeah they are nice and mean well but go to a super SJW uni

2017-12-05 01:45:28 UTC

sorry I am just greasing my cookie sheet

2017-12-05 01:46:14 UTC

We have a special place for those kinds of leftists...

2017-12-05 01:46:27 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387419417325338624/Kaczynski_on_Leftists.png

2017-12-05 01:52:10 UTC

holy shit that is hilarious I used to be a crazy anprim and read zerzan and TK's work mainlly industrial society and its future

2017-12-05 01:52:50 UTC

Unabomber was an absolute Madman. American Mad-Genius, but damnit, he was right about everything

2017-12-05 01:52:53 UTC

let me look that up since that image is small and hard to read

2017-12-05 01:53:12 UTC

Can you zoom in?

2017-12-05 01:53:45 UTC

I think he was right about some things, like him talking about the alienation that comes from division of labor and his theory of the power process is interesting but I am not sure how well it really maps on to humans and psychology

2017-12-05 01:53:52 UTC

I just googled the title

2017-12-05 01:56:40 UTC

The absolute Madman

2017-12-05 01:57:17 UTC

yeah I think TK talking about the failures of leftists resonates with my beliefs but I am not sure how to evaluate how true they are

2017-12-05 01:57:50 UTC

Dude is a Mathematical genius with an IQ of 167

2017-12-05 01:57:54 UTC

He's on the ball

2017-12-05 01:58:34 UTC

but I gave up my anprim beliefs for two reasons mainly people will never abandon technology as long as it allows them to meet their evolutionary goals nobody is going to roll back agriculture to pre green revolution ways because it feeds most of the world

2017-12-05 01:59:39 UTC

the reason I gave up on anarchism is because I think when leftists gain real autonomy and political power in an area they are often under military threat from preexisting states and needs a state to have a functional military to resist agression

2017-12-05 02:02:15 UTC

Nazi Germany delclares alliance with Japan -1940

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387423394531901440/anime_hitler.jpg

2017-12-05 02:03:59 UTC

when you look at the paris commune, ukranian black army, korean anarchists all crushed by outside states

2017-12-05 02:06:32 UTC

anarchism is big haha

2017-12-05 02:06:42 UTC

all anarchist schools of thought are jokes

2017-12-05 02:06:44 UTC

it's all a big meme

2017-12-05 02:06:53 UTC

should not be taken seriously

2017-12-05 02:07:29 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387424710650101770/1512267481274.jpg

2017-12-05 02:07:54 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387424815369158656/tumblr_ohjejuvGvq1vah69to1_1280.jpg

2017-12-05 02:08:23 UTC

yeah I feel there is an appeal of anarchism but I am doubtful in it's application both currently and historically

2017-12-05 02:10:10 UTC

@quiscalus Anarchy is always temporary.

2017-12-05 02:12:24 UTC

my question is with a super powerful military and a wealthy western democracy is there any reasonable alternative to reform through electoral politics?

2017-12-05 02:12:35 UTC

*in the US

2017-12-05 02:13:04 UTC

Super powerful? You mean the same guys who got their asses kicked in afghanistan and vietnam and bugged out to save face?

2017-12-05 02:13:33 UTC

They will be fully neutered once oil becomes impractical to use due to the scarcity and cost of it.

2017-12-05 02:14:25 UTC

It's ok we can always sell the Saudis bombers that use green energy lol

2017-12-05 02:15:09 UTC

they can bomb and family in Yemen using munitions that are sustainably sourced

2017-12-05 02:16:40 UTC

hey guys i have an idea let's let the saudis bomb our own buildings and then use that as a pretense to invade iraq for their oil

2017-12-05 02:17:21 UTC

@quiscalus The saudi's will collapse once oil becomes too expensive and impractical to use, since their whole nation is built upon it.

2017-12-05 02:22:12 UTC

sorry will be back later tonight go to go to a dinner party

2017-12-05 02:24:44 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387429054283776000/Communism.gif

2017-12-05 04:54:43 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387466797638615042/image.jpg

2017-12-05 05:00:24 UTC

^

2017-12-05 06:54:32 UTC

howdy fellow lefties

2017-12-05 06:54:43 UTC

got back from my dinner get together

2017-12-05 08:24:50 UTC

do you guys have any local leftist organization you dudes work with? I was looking into my local DSA but I never been part of any leftist group

2017-12-05 09:09:33 UTC

you mean something like antifa?

2017-12-05 09:09:44 UTC

or perhaps some DNC subdivision?

2017-12-05 09:10:03 UTC

disgusting

2017-12-05 09:10:09 UTC

No, he's not an ignorant, emotionally-driven cuck like yourself.

2017-12-05 09:10:21 UTC

why are you so hostile

2017-12-05 09:10:22 UTC

to

2017-12-05 09:10:25 UTC

literally everyone here

2017-12-05 09:10:41 UTC

are you cosplaying as that guy from adventure time

2017-12-05 09:10:43 UTC

lemongrab?

2017-12-05 09:10:48 UTC

I personally just consumed leftist media, donated to charity, and tried to vote in the best way possible as a leftist

2017-12-05 09:10:52 UTC

He means a political organization whose views and aims are opposed to either of the major capitalist parties.

2017-12-05 09:11:05 UTC

he said leftist

2017-12-05 09:11:47 UTC

I have never been part of any organization I feel kind of strange going into any formal thing like this I would hate for it to get back to my work

2017-12-05 09:11:55 UTC

I'm almost certain he is talking about a socialist organization.

2017-12-05 09:12:31 UTC

i will encourage you to partake in the political process, however i will also warn you that many of these groups have violent associations with them

2017-12-05 09:12:43 UTC

you may want to avoid them if you care about your job

2017-12-05 09:12:53 UTC

I have not read enough theory to properly define my beliefs like I am unsure about markets, and currency or labor vouchers, etc?

2017-12-05 09:13:14 UTC

yeah I am not interested in losing my job or my license to carry a gun

2017-12-05 09:13:29 UTC

@quiscalus You will undergo a trial phase with any of the major socialist organizations in which your theoretical knowledge will be tested.

2017-12-05 09:13:34 UTC

so you are fairly new to this realm then

2017-12-05 09:13:50 UTC

this realm of politics

2017-12-05 09:14:07 UTC

very mean i'll tell you that

2017-12-05 09:14:19 UTC

During this time you will be educated on Marxist theory.

2017-12-05 09:14:43 UTC

I have been a left leaning liberal for a while just never read or listened to anything serious theory wise like never read capital from marx or any of lenin's stuff either

2017-12-05 09:15:36 UTC

I was a person to confused the welfare state with socialism because that is an idea that is popular in mainstream politics

2017-12-05 09:16:06 UTC

The organizations of which I speak are to the left of liberalism. I highly suggest you delve into the major Marxist works beforehand. Read some Marx and Lenin.

2017-12-05 09:16:07 UTC

also that being against capitalism was being against trade or not owning personal property

2017-12-05 09:16:44 UTC

well look, if i could give you any advice, it's to be open-minded

2017-12-05 09:16:49 UTC

the left is pretty hard at attracting average people because lots of leftist ideas are distorted to appear unappealing

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