Im a capitalist 😦 still reading the lenin books, so damn many ans can only digest so much at a time, cant read that shit for hours on in

We are against labour aristocracy.

The only people that deserve wealth are those that create it: the Proletariat.

Period

@Deleted User labour aristocracy, Jason Unruhe called it

You're not Proletariat

I think Trotsky deserved to die

@National Trotskyist >Jason Unruhe

Owning a four bedroom house

LOL

Lenin came up with that.

No proletarian living today would have the means to own that

L O L

So that house should be seized

@ego_sum_jeffum I am a skilled tradesman, pretty sure I'm more of a prole than you lol. And who gives a shit if I have a simple 4 bedroom house? How does that make me a non-prole? Gtfo

And handed to the proletariat

Stop larping @ego_sum_jeffum

@Deleted User His plot for global domination was curbed by stalin when he ordered an icepick to crack open his skull, maybe that is one thing I can praise stalin for.

Prole means you work

No.

Fucking NEET

Everyone works lol

It means you don't own.

A skilled tradesman is not a proletarian

??

I work and I have a house. What is the issue?

Fuck this guy.

Please clarify.

@ego_sum_jeffum No they don't. Take that anti-Marxist bullshit elsewhere. Not everyone works for a living

Skilled tradesmen can be proles. WTF are you talking about.

@ego_sum_jeffum How so?

>2017
>Marxism

How is a manual laborer skilled in a trade not a prole?

Please clarify. What is faulty in me having a house?

Tradesman? Lol merchantry is so bourg

der happy merchant

@MLM (TW) >Not everyone works for a living
Except that is the main concept of working for a job.

2017 marxism could be considered post modernism, no?

@Antillean It is fucking shit is what it is.

He works to bide his time until the GLORIOUS REVOLUTION

@Deleted User Ever heard of speculation? How about stock investments? Btfo

Please clarify. What is faulty in me having a house?

Koba is a freaking closet capitalist

I told you.

@Deleted User Nothing.

Stalinist is a closet capitalist? You don't say?

Nothing

He's not a Stalinist

Anyone can be revolutionary, even Bourgeois.

@Deleted User Do you know anything about people making money off of money? Lol.

@MLM (TW) And how do you get the money to spend rediculous amounts in the stock market?

He's a capitalist

no

he's just a sperg who shills for the "Hapa master race"

@Deleted User A number of ways, some of which do not include the expenditure of labor.

A straight up capitalist trying to abuse the proletariat

@Deleted User Yeah there were communist nobles, Dzerzhinsky and Jaruzelski

Dzerzhinsky ❤

Jaruzelski was a general

*EXPENDITURE OF ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE PRODUCTION*

Takes $500 to start in the stock market, or that was the minimum amount to open an account with tdameritrade

>Utopian ideologies

>2017

t. fascist

@ego_sum_jeffum Nothing I have said would suggest your ludicrous claim is at all meritable. You said I wasn't a prole because I'm a skilled tradesman and I own a house. Gtfo lol

>not supporting the eternal revolution

It's current year goys, abandon all hope.

You boast about it

the true revolution is that of the farm

@ego_sum_jeffum No I fucking don't. Even if I did, how would that make me a capitalist? Lol

You are one of the capitalists exploiting the workers

LOL

Do you work with your workers?

@Deleted User >When you say that communism will cause global unity and you get an icepick in your skull that was ordered by your former comrade to happen

@MLM (TW) what is your trade

Once again, I do NOT own the MoP. I do NOT expropriate the surplus value of anyones labor. I don't have workers lol.

"Thinking.... thinking....."

@Deleted User I'm an electrician.

@Deleted User Daily reminder Trotsky was born in Boston

yikes, what an absolutely pleb-tier field

@ego_sum_jeffum I am a fucking worker haha.

@Deleted User A true representative of the people.

Do you have a boss?

Yes, I do.

Which is who?

Everyone is fishing for a hypocrite, but it isn't known until the revolution. The one who holds against the proletariat, then, is the enemy, nothing else.

My supervisor lol.

What is his name?

The means of production qualification is antiquated and is why communists fail to bring anything close to what they envision about

His name is Johnathan. Why does that even matter? Lol

Competition is bad

You are competing for customers am I right?

Wtf? No

Correct

Land and labor should be the qualification. How is land and labor brought about not who owns the factory to turn the land into trade goods

You are

If you weren't competing you would be out of a job

Thy mother hath mated with a scorpion!

I think you are competing for customers, for your share of the market, whatever market that may be, depends on your product/service

@Deleted User Fucking scorpion fuckers.

@ego_sum_jeffum Who am I competing against? I'm a member of a labor union that is contracted by numerous people lol.

But i would generally agree with that assessment

<:bour:313709044957315082>

You are competing against other electricians

Right to work state here, no union

It's simple. When they come to take your head, surrender everything to the dictatorship of the proletariat.

You don't live in a socialist country

Because the land and labor qualification covers production automatically since factories and raw materiel are land

@ego_sum_jeffum So that makes me a capitalist? Nice logic bro.

Competition is highly encouraged and you know that

And I work with every skilled electrician in my area, therefore there is no competition. We all do the same shit.

>When you spend 3 hours screaming at each other about definitions of communism and genetics

We work the same jobs.

You don't live in a. Socialist country

@Deleted User Haha

There are many different companies

There is no socialist country

@ego_sum_jeffum How does that make me a non-prole? Just answer the question.

You compete against those companies

@MLM (TW) Clearly because you own the means of production and not your customers duh

You're refusing to answer my basic questions

Bourgeois scum :^)

Koba isn't good with responding to points.

@ego_sum_jeffum I don't compete against any companies in the region as the work my co-workers and I do is contracted out by companies who would only hire people like ourselves.

Don't ask responses from Koba, it is all copypasta.

@Deleted User How.

@MLM (TW) what a rare circumstance that would emulate socialism

@ego_sum_jeffum Your questions are illogical and you obviously know nothing about electrician work. And just because I'm not "emulating" socialism which makes no sense, that doesn't mean I'm a capitalist. You obviously need to study more Marxist theory lol.

Electrician work is something only a total pleb does anyways.

You haven't answered my question

I think there is a big fucking issue with this movement entirely when you guys spend almost 4 hours now screeching at each other about socialism and communism along with genetics.

It's okay,

We respect our ditch diggers, electricians as well

Koba understands neither.

@Deleted User Electricians are some of the highest-paid tradesmen and the work they do is crucial to the functioning of any industrialized society.

@Deleted User At least we can stay on topic and reach an answer.

@Deleted User
>Movement

@ego_sum_jeffum You have no question lol. You're actually evading mine.

That's implying there is a singular movement amongst this server

I asked you the first question: are you a socialist?

@Deleted User What do you do?

@ego_sum_jeffum Yep

You obviously aren't

You brag about the capitalist system that finances your lifestyle

Actually, I am. I also happen to be politically active within the socialist movement.

The only singular movement here is Anarcho-Agrarianism.

I don't brag about capitalism.

Which one lol

Stfu

You do

Which socialist movement

There are a million little splinters

Which one are you

@ego_sum_jeffum He is more of a progressive than anything, because he has no idea what he believes in.

Yeah, he's one of those people

@ego_sum_jeffum No, I don't. I simply stated that I live comfortably due to being fiscally responsible and hard-working. I abhor capitalism, but I also understand that there is no ethical consumption within the system and there isn't anything wrong with owning a house and being an electrician.

@Deleted User muh huwheat fields

Says something stupid - will defend it till he dies

Agrarianism is the perfect of human life.

You're just an imbecile that has no theoretical understanding and chooses to evade questions because you have no real answers.

When I'm asking the questions

You abhor it but you're in the rat race you so hate

Nice.

@MLM (TW) You're just an imbecile that has no theoretical understanding and chooses to evade questions because you have no real answers.

How is currency handled in the agrarianism meme?

Crop trading

@MLM (TW) You're just an imbecile that has no theoretical understanding and chooses to evade questions because you have no real answers.

https://discord.gg/NUjJrsG

@MLM (TW) >Working for the juden and reparing their infrastructure and modifying it to make it better instead of destroying it

You claimed I was a capitalist, you claimed I wasn't a prole, and then you claimed I was these things because I don't live in a socialist country or one that is "emulating" socialism. You truly are dumber than a sack of shit.

You're not a Marxist, you're just a wannabe that probably hasn't even finished reading the manifesto.

No true Marxist fallacy.

>Communist Manifesto

You in NY koba?

You're ignoring my arguments

You didn't have any evidence to why you didn't compete

Every company is looking to make a profit

@ego_sum_jeffum You see, you have no arguments therefore there is nothing to ignore but your blatant idiocy and the obvious mental hula-hoops you are jumping through to avoid answering my questions.

@Antillean Philly

Im in FL nowhere near you, wherever youre at, no union here, I work with wire too, not an electrician though

They will use the companies that give them the cheapest service

Can you say anything that's not an insult?

You're asking a down syndrome to compile a symphony at this point. @MLM (TW) Is a highschool dropout.

@ego_sum_jeffum
>he accidentally stumbles into a more realistic descriptor for capitalism but will probably not realize it nor accept it

wew

@ego_sum_jeffum I'm a union electrician. The work we do isn't "cheap" lol.

@MLM (TW) You did this the last time I attempted to debate with you as well, you provided no evidence to back up your arguments.

>union electricians

holy shit

And the non union electricians will do it cheaper

union electricians did the wiring at my bar

Therefore putting you out of a job

ILLEGAL wiring job

faulty

@Deleted User Everything I have said has been rational, and you're only supporting ego because I hurt your feelings earlier and you know nothing of electrician work or basic Marxian economics.

failed inspection, and the whole union got shaken up

Modern unions are a joke

union electricians are shit

lmfao

@ego_sum_jeffum No, they aren't. The work I do cannot be done by non-union electricians. I do not compete with non-union workers.

Lol

Such as?

Give me part of your paycheck so I can demand better pay every once in a while which you'll give to me

Electrican is not magic. You poke wires into the point on a diagram.

People will find any way to compete in any way possible

Unions protect the worker, states with them dont have right to work law, he doesnt compete with non union labor

But they come with fees

@Deleted User Tell that to someone that breaks their back for a living. Once you've learned the value of hard work, you won't accept less than union representation.

You've never worked a day in your life @MLM (TW)

this tbh

@ego_sum_jeffum
>he stumbles into a fact of nature and fails to realize it and thinks it's inherently a bad thing or has something to do with [economic system]

union electricians are all horrible

@ego_sum_jeffum You don't know anything about the field I work in which is why you're talking nonsense.

I'm done responding to you.

I'm just going along with your narrative so I can tear it apart as far as possible

Unions are angry and the footsoldiers of revolution. But unionism is not an ends in itself, it is asserting rights against a bourgeois master class which you can never surpass without revolution.

@MLM (TW) Baby mad?

"I'm done responding to you"

"give me some medical pensions so I can do a faulty wiring job on the next business lol" - literally every modern union worker, ever.

Modern unions are like neutered dogs

Well it looks like Koba has a defeat

They have no bite to them

@ego_sum_jeffum 98% of what you've said has been puerile, unsubstantiated shit spewed by someone that knows nothing of electrician work. It's pointless responding to you.

98%

@MLM (TW) 98% of what you've said has been puerile, unsubstantiated shit spewed by someone that knows nothing of electrician work. It's pointless responding to you.

@MLM (TW) Wait are you saying you *don't* break your back for a living?

I wonder how you calculated that

@Deleted User If the work I and my co-workers did was faulty, we wouldn't receive contracts from major commercial enterprises.

With your "electrician skills" of course

@MLM (TW) That is coming from the guy who refuses to back up his arguments with evidence and he only supports this by saying "it is rational"

should i even be here

oh god

what have i gotten myself

into

@werner No, the server is falling apart fast.

Stay a while, and listen.

the picture grossed me out enough

At least youre working and your interests led you to this discord, doing something right

@Deleted User I've actually provided evidence time and time again, you should do some rereading assclown.

Edgy commies and edgy [ ]s duking it out over random shit

Koba is a fascist pretending to be Marxist, HOWEVER, he also happens to be a Happa-Nationalist that refuses to admit such a thing as "identity" even exists. He will fight you tooth and nail with unsubstantiated claims and pseudoscience that'd make a psychologist screech.

@Deleted User No, I do. No union tradesman gets away with not doing back-breaking work. Lol

@Deleted User

ok

@Deleted User Nice horseshit, larpmaster.

With occasional fash trying to feed in an insult

idk why he would want to be fascist or marxist

both are just as bad

>fascism is bad and everyone I disagree with is a fascist

but who was Jew?