Also I prefer this over the ussr

Or mao china

No shit, the USSR and Mao china were third world countries

This meaning 2018 neoliberalism

I'd say cambodia was close to commie although implemented distastefully

Also cuba is not disneyland

The Khmer Rouge wasn’t socialist lol

Cuba is better than most capitalistthird world countries

So what would be a undebateable succesful socialist country

The USSR

Eww

communist gatekeeping continues to impress me

You just said it was a third world country

@MontgomeryAnon what

There don’t exist socialist first world countries

*for now*

How can it be succesfull if its was undeniably horrible

If you only read bullshit then yes sure

the nordic model is fairly close

norway owns key utilities

the state i mean

so what?

Is that enough to have Socialism? No.

don't gatekeep socialism too ffs

What

Lol Nordic countries aren’t socialist my nigga

Nordic model is social democracy

Go away

Socialism is when the government owns things 🤔 🤔

Stop

<:stalin:426907242927882242>

the moar teh gobbermints doz da stuffz, da moar Socialism-er it iz

Lol

thanks for defining socialism for me

Dont be mean

In Socialism you have common ownership over the means of production

Which would mean no more innovation in technology, science, medicine etc etc etc

Normally for a state to be defined as such, it must be working to demolish Capitalism, so private property, or already have done that.

What bullshit the USSR didn’t have innovation?

@supermodel ruben W h a t

Cmon

Everything would come to a stop immediately

Yes

yeah cmon

No slowly

"You know, I just don't feel like doing research or development anymore"

😴

because you see, Socialism stops innovation even though it gives you the chance to work for what you like, which is totally not the main reason for innovation!

endless socialist purity masturbation will prevent "actual socialism" from ever being implemented

We already had this debate

@MontgomeryAnon lol

Actual Socialism has been implemented tho

And will be again very likely

i mean successfully

The amount of people who are actually motivated and passionate about fringe subjects are not many

> defines nordic model as socialism
> hahah u say actual socialism didn't happen

Die

Its about needing people for the dirty work

I didn't even say nordic model was socialism

True he didnt

People in the USSR gladly did the dirty work

I think it’s pretty obvious

Innovation literally comes from fringe subjects and not from continuing what is already known

Oh yeah sure thats why as soon as the wall fell they all went to the west because they were not opressed at all

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

@buyXRBpls yes but it needs an infrastructure

The wall fell when Socialism was a decaying corpse in those countries lol

And infrastructure is built if it is needed?

it was dead

You are contradicting yourself

Socialism in Russia died with Stalin as far as I am concerned, even though I can see arguments for later

Ew Stalin

@buyXRBpls how do you think elon musk was able to push for fringe innovations?

@buyXRBpls or anyone really

lots of money

Private

Funding

Because he had to gain lots of money

taken from his workers

Yes

Ask yourself.

And if his technology wouldn't be used by other private corporations for profit, he wouldn't have innovated

Has ANYTHING except Tesla, that Elon Musk has done, even slightly satisfied real human needs.?

He innovated because he had the money and profit in mind in an industry that didn't have much activity

Tesla is enough imo

Spacex we will see

and I’m saying Tesla with huge charity

Its merely an example

Because it evidently isn’t making an impact on global warming

And yes I do think electronic cars are important

Nobody is driving them yet

because of markets

Thats fair

Nobody is driving them because it is more profitable to use oil and boycott that shit

True

You talk about Tesla's innovation, but you don't talk about the companies that tried to damage them so they didn't have to develop their own electric cars

Elon Musk’s genius and innovation is being literally fucked by Capitalism

Okay here I agree

But I am not confident in states being clever enougj to enable it

They dont seem to be able now so why would they when they have more power

States are horrible at innovation

The idea behind a Socialist state is that it’s a dictatorship of the proletariat, meaning it’s controlled by workers

I like that he's selling flamethrowers for funding from private investors <:bour:313709044957315082>

State funding and subsidies definitely are more innovative but socialism isn't about the state anyways

It takes amsterdan longer to build a metroline then musk to build an empire, Can you believe it

States are behind most innovation though

especially in technology

especially in the US

hey

gey

gey

hey

@Deleted User gay

If you want innovation, especially in technology, you can just look at China

Most innovations come out of military research

btw I’ve spent some time on other servers and I’ve come to appreciate how civil it is here (very relative)

But I still hate them

aka the statw

*e

>china
>tech innovation
jeeesus christ

dont get me started

Man subsidies

>Chinks
>humans

I hate subsidies

china steals every 'innovation'

this

China also steals land

that’s how you have your iPhone though, the thing you criticized me for

Yes they are stealing AI technology and other things

Simply because the people who decide where they go are incompetent 90% of the time

From no one

Manchuria belongs to korea

directly subsidized by the state

By subsidies?

Apple?

500k, not much, but given to Apple

>no one

Man 500k is nothing

for development

Haha they got that

When

Funny

If you think China's AI is stolen good for you

and the IPhone is made up of hardware developed in the state sector

really, tech is not argument for free markets

other commodities MAY be

but not tech

Tell me about this 0.5 m subsidie

lol mr e

where is that guy anyway?

Ahahahah

I just asked

I cant tag him

This isn't 2012 China isn't dependent on stealing everything

the whole chinese business model is stealing IP, manufacturing it for cheaper there because they have no labor protection, and reselling it in the developed markets they stole it from for a much higher profit margin

and yes it still is

today

tech too

which is...

Capitalism

congrats you discovered how innovation works under Capitalism

I'm not denying they still steal IP

But to say that is the major reason for innovation is outdated

I want a european state

One big one?

like European Union as a nation?

Im tired of talking about asia and america

Any hackers here? 😃

We are the true guardians of culture

....

I used to be involved in that stuff tbh.

somewhat

@yung no just in mentality

Current Chinese innovation is not stealing IP anymore that's just wrong

How do you know

Im aure itd be a secret

Because they are implementing things that other countries and companies aren't

Like what

examples

Sesam credits

you can find foreign roots for most

Huawei and Vivo just for smartphone technology

oi faggots

how we doing?

good good

Most transaction is also digital

Although that's because the state wants to spy on you

>be a khanist
>”fuck gommiez and their fuggen collectivism”

>"If civilisation can be likened to the coral reef in which all manner of life finds shelter and flourishes, the individual humans who raises those structures of calcium carbonate are scarcely of any more consequence than the individual polyp. It is the aggregation of these polyps into the colonies of corals that matter, and the structures they build that must endure." - Ardashir Khan, circa 1540.

btw this dude wrote like a kindergartner, what the fuck kind of analogy is this

@buyXRBpls#2128 transaction is also digital in europe friend

Hahahahah

Worse then rand?

memes

i hate leftcom

I hate you

Nah I also hate leftcom

they think just because commodity production is still there in low stage socialism and the soviet union it wasn't real socialism.

its retarded

Blablabla

Your ideology is old

your ideology is reactionary

your opinion does not **matter**

Lol im not reactionary

You are

You want to go back to 1950

how exactly

thats not reactionary

or are you a fucking retard

That is litteraly

What reactionism means

Moron

Or well I suppose it could be any time

Doesnt have to be 1950

Socialism is the real conservatism here

litteraly

wow

nice english

Oh so this means I won the debate?

Good

it does not have to be 1950

to accomplish socialism

You dont know what reactionary means

Which is fine but it also disqualifies you

being reactionary is opposing progression and or reform

And since Socialism is progressive

not reactionary

Kek

I wouldnt consider socialism progressive

fine I guess

Lol

I have been in a bus for the past 10 hours dont mind me

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