I think it’s pretty obvious

Innovation literally comes from fringe subjects and not from continuing what is already known

Oh yeah sure thats why as soon as the wall fell they all went to the west because they were not opressed at all

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

@buyXRBpls yes but it needs an infrastructure

The wall fell when Socialism was a decaying corpse in those countries lol

And infrastructure is built if it is needed?

it was dead

You are contradicting yourself

Socialism in Russia died with Stalin as far as I am concerned, even though I can see arguments for later

Ew Stalin

@buyXRBpls how do you think elon musk was able to push for fringe innovations?

@buyXRBpls or anyone really

lots of money

Private

Funding

Because he had to gain lots of money

taken from his workers

Yes

Ask yourself.

And if his technology wouldn't be used by other private corporations for profit, he wouldn't have innovated

Has ANYTHING except Tesla, that Elon Musk has done, even slightly satisfied real human needs.?

He innovated because he had the money and profit in mind in an industry that didn't have much activity

Tesla is enough imo

Spacex we will see

and I’m saying Tesla with huge charity

Its merely an example

Because it evidently isn’t making an impact on global warming

And yes I do think electronic cars are important

Nobody is driving them yet

because of markets

Thats fair

Nobody is driving them because it is more profitable to use oil and boycott that shit

True

You talk about Tesla's innovation, but you don't talk about the companies that tried to damage them so they didn't have to develop their own electric cars

Elon Musk’s genius and innovation is being literally fucked by Capitalism

Okay here I agree

But I am not confident in states being clever enougj to enable it

They dont seem to be able now so why would they when they have more power

States are horrible at innovation

The idea behind a Socialist state is that it’s a dictatorship of the proletariat, meaning it’s controlled by workers