I can already predict the Marxist arguments.

What are they?

"If you are not for complete public ownership, you are with the bourgeoisie"

Does that criticism hold any weight?

Only if God doesn't exist.

If God exists, it changes the whole social dynamic, as quoted in above passages.

The Church is not publicly owned. If it was it would be destroyed.

Yes, the hierarchy of the church is essential to it's survival.

This is way Aquinas is so important. He uses natural reason to prove that God exists. Basically constructing a material basis for His existence. Marxists have no counterargument, They have to dismiss it as an abstraction or a spook etc.

*"Putting it succinctly, Christ's Church has no intention of yielding ground to her avowed enemy, atheistic communism, without a struggle. This battle will be fought to the end, but with the weapons of Christ!"* Encyclical On Guiding Principles of the Lay Apostolate by Pope Pius XII to the Second World Congress of the Lay Apostolate, 1957

The tradition of scholasticism in the church is a very important one.

It's allowed the Church's theology to be built and strengthened over a period of 2,000 years

Aquinas never could have done what he did without the Church fathers, and going back even farther, aristotle.

When you linked Compendium of Theology, I couldn't believe what I was reading. It is a remarkable achievement that singlehandedly persuated me that Christianity does indeed have intellectual nerve.

The image of Christinaity being a backwards and anti-reason comes mostly from the modern day manifestation of cultural Christianity. It's particularly evident in protestantism.

At first it was extremely disjointing. Up until this point I thought such an achievement was impossible. You are right, Luther ruined everything.

I searched high and low for a coherent counterargument, and found none. I was met with strawmen and stabs in the dark which are individually very weak.

There's a reason most atheists don't really bring up Aquinas.

Like a deer in the headlights. That was me.

But I could have easily resorted to emotion or arbitrary justification and handwaving.

"It's an obscurity" "What could a fat virgin possibly know"

lol

Or better yet, "He was from the 13th century!"

TJ sodomized himself with a banana.

Go figure.

He did worse

Abused a mentally ill girl

Just smoke more pot, man.

Herbal relativism.

Never heard that one

Neither had I.

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So at the moment, I cannot refute Aquinas, who also uses reason, following the existence of God, to defend private property. Therefore I cannot freely follow Marxism or Socialism.

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Or should I say, I cannot hold both ideas to be true simultaneously.

This is the line in the sand.

So I found that although Saint Augustine believed in a literal interpretation of Genesis he acknowledged that Genesis' interpreation can be very difficult and believed that Christians should be open to changing their mind about it as new information comes to light.

Also, nice 8values

Hi everybody, today in Russia would be protests

Hello

Against corruption and left are going support it

In Moscow would be violent I guess

Because Navalny cancelled official meeting at Sakharova prospect

And he called people go to Tverskaya street

What do you think about that?

What kind of corruption are they protesting against?

Corruption of the government and oligarchs like Usmanov

gas the russian

greater ukranian now

Lel

Oh, Ukraine not best scenario for Russia. I mean that we don't want change from one oligarchs to other

And also new wave of neoliberal reforms

are you Ukranian?

No

Ukraine and Russia can not exist at the same time

Russia needs to balkanize

What do you mean?

they ar ethe same but somehow different?

I mean that we don't need Maidan

with changing from one group of ruling class to another

What you mean about "balkanize"?

You mean massacre a-la-Yugoslavia in 1990s?

when do we end the tyranny of internet providers

communism will never work

you tryn'a start a fight, m8?

No, but a debate would be preferable

Eat pant

okay, debate away

Communism is a flawed ideology at its core. Every attempt at it so far has failed. It divides nations and they harm eachother

and where is the success of capitalism? as it currently stands, the first world can't sustain itself without constantly plundering resources from the third world and putting millions of people into bondage through sweatshops and human trafficking. not exactly something that can survive for long

I'm against capitalism though

I'm against communism as well

third-way like gaddafi?

More like fascism, where people try to better their nation and help eachother and learn about the cosmic Truth in an organic state

fascism is nothing more than an attempt for capitalists to retain their hold on the world when revolution becomes inevitable. it has never appeared accept as a response to communism. and it has always been backed by the priveliged figures of society

That's where you're wrong though

Fascism has nothing to do with capitalism and communism

It's a traditional worldview

Communism and Cap belong in the Modern World while Fascism belongs in the Traditional World

They simply can't be compared as they have entirely different goals.

then what place does it have in the modern world?

by Traditional World, I mean that it has existed forever. It's a primal worldview, not man-made, the "natural" worldview.

Fascism is not really an ideology by any means, but one can use the worldview for a political worldview (national socialism, for example)

okay, then lets start with an explanation of fascism: how is labour organized?

hello?

Hi guys today would be protests in Russia. Me and my comrade are going to go at Moscow there with one politiologist and in past left dissident Boris Kagarlitsky.

https://vk.com/mdvpered - here is public where would be stream at 13:45 or 14:00 Moscow time
Join us, I guess Russia is something exotic for Western left

fucking commies

kill yourselves

What a nice Sunday night today ^__^

Commie Brothers

I have left the fascist server

But I still don't like communism

So I guess I am gonna leave now

:/

Very important. Thank you for letting us know.

Well they were planning to raid you

I joined so I could raid

communism is for idiots

😉

lmao

I just hate SJW safe-spaces

only people who like communism are kids

who don't know how it really works

lmao

So I guess I am gonna leave

*salutes*

Farewell comrades

Farewell

Godspeed you magnificent bastard

Will miss you.

Привет Русские

hello nerds

*pushes up glasses* SWEATS

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<:st:312060486449364993>

<:pink:312036766825840640> seig heil

<:pn:312032035872964608>

<:caring:312066184948350976>

*nuts*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXRbIdaLD4Q

Pol

Hola

Oy Vey, what have we got here.

Fucking nazis

>Suckerpunch

Trump is LOVE,Trump is LIFE, <:caring:312066184948350976> <:care:312065869767245835>

http://orig04.deviantart.net/26ba/f/2007/009/7/9/anarchist_communist_flag_by_tapiocadeath.jpg

For some reason that shit makes me cringe away ^ <:care:312065869767245835>

Because It is the Ultimate Cringe.

http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e15/10956729_806260019443665_331326303_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=OTUwMzkyNzA2MzAyNDc0NDM3.2

https://media1.fdncms.com/clevescene/imager/get-to-know-your-cleveland-anarchist-wannabe-bridge-bombers/u/original/2959677/1335886037-baxtersave.png

Oh look another fgt ^

https://pics.onsizzle.com/when-someone-asks-but-who-will-build-the-roads-and-3203784.png

https://img1.etsystatic.com/001/0/7476284/il_fullxfull.402428065_a0aq.jpg

I wonder how there so violent if they never use guns at any of the protests <:care:312065869767245835> Because we are going to start useing guns now <:caring:312066184948350976>

ah communists being retarded as always

https://ci.memecdn.com/10412724.jpg

http://e3.365dm.com/16/07/1600x900/cegrab-20130604-130219-191-1_3656046.jpg?20160706065628

Another reason why Neo Nazis make me laugh 😂

Neo Nazis And Commmunists, Fagot Anarchists, Fuck all of them 😂

There all fucking dumb. <:caring:312066184948350976>

Nazis are by far the worst tho

Comrades are on top

If there in the U.S it's a damn joke.

It's starting to look that way acrost the Nation it seems people just want to play Dress up and fallow another blind retard into there (Quest for the holy grail)

BWHAHAHA😂

Communism will work in the US

Just watch

Been watching

Nothing happened, Still watching, Still not giving a fuck 😂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzSsLiBPX38

Heil Hitler

Heil hitler

Wanted to come discuss what make people to support communism, straight rational talk.

I guess mental issues and similar things

if they hit their head too hard when they were kids etc.

Österreich Männer

Might be, but want to hear from them. Is there any well educated with good salary supporting communism here? I'm studying to be teacher and from wealthy family who serve the people, not themselves. What makes YOU support communism and what it is for you? Anyone here who can answer that without ad hominem?

is anyone alive here?

or everbody went to gulag

Get out nazi faggots

Triggered

nazi and faggot hm

are you autistic?

He is

Lenin legalized faggots, we were to eradicate them

contradicting brainless shit

Whats wrong with homosexuals

Fucking bigot

LOOOOOOOL

You re mentally retarded

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Oy vey where is your boyfriend

What can you expect from a guy that writes meme on his pp

Wtf

You're rude

>"get out nazi faggots" >"wtf you are rude"

autism confirmed gents

^

Kek shit troll is shit

I failed 😞

prime example of basement dwelling virgins

Mfw natsoc as fuck

Why this server is dead

because communism is dead?

True

It's just not very active right now

People are usually around in the afternoon

Its evening in europe

Lol

Oh

So you're a natsoc right?

Yes i am, but i like more political and rational way to discuss; i do not go ad hominem and spams.

That's good

hello

Hello

sup dude?

Neat

Cool

Lol server is communist. Turns out active members are anti commie

Yeah

There are some commies though

Kek so very true

Homosexuality is fine lol. Who said that is retarded

@magma

Nigga you serious?

<:Angery:302413602986655755>

He left the server lol

Sodomites are a societal poison

The only good natsocs were the Strasser brothers

so many active communists here

Praise to kek

Kek is a demon

Communism is such a popular ideology

Lol

Oh rly

yes

Do tell

look at all these commies

!!!!!

Lool

Loving the hats

I'll be a commie just for the hatsss!!!