The bureaucracy didn't help but it's ridiculous that it was a genocide

Wait where did I say it was purposeful

I said what they would gain if it was on purpose

The holomodor was not an intentional starvation

That's ridiculous

how would they benefit from killing their people

If it was targeted at ukranians why would it affect other ethnic groups

damn

They had an ongoing drought

exactly

And kulaks burning crops and killing livestock

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-eTgjCs2lzpQllPVzQ2UFd3aWM/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-eTgjCs2lzpNExnSEVhMjBLRlE/view

kulaks deserved more

I don't particularity like the ussr anyway

Brutal regime

T-34's can't melt Reichstag beams

I'm not a fan of the USSR either

at least not stalinist and post-stalin USSR

Not real communism

nice change of topic when you know you lost

😏

Stop being cheeki Metro.

We're guests in the /comintern/ here.

I didn't lose

aknowledge you dont know what you talking about

@Deleted User They were ideologically communists

But they weren't communist

I'm willing to debate communists here on their terms.

As it's their homefield.

@Deleted User 😂

Diesel doesn't do his people any good

first you say it was ethnic cleansing, then you say USSR would benefit from it

Most people here are right wingers

Tbh

He has been rude and disrespectful

I only wish to debate

Being the better Man/woman and treating people with respect is a good first step.

Being cheeki gets you nowhere.

dont you where like, "bah i dont really care, the USSR was brutal xd"

What does that mean

So let's drop the genocide memes on both sides and get to the case at hand.

What is the case at hand

Which is debating why going fullcommunism is the right thing, rather than embracing a Nordic model.

Nordic model 👌

What are you ideologically first, so I know your perspective

nordic model is fine tho

It varies, I consider myself a moderate Socialdemocrat with a positive view on migration.

And no, I'm not Swedish.

if you notice lots of communists come from nordic countries

Okay so socdem vs. communism

Sounds good.

Actually, it would be better suited to say socdem vs. socialism

there is this millionare there who has an hotel with bursts of lenin and shit

so?

Or socdem vs marxism

Anyways

succdem

You can be rich and push for socialism

social democracy was a reaction to communism rising in countries

Ah

Social facism meme

How does Marxism/socialism outcompete Socialdemocracy in your eyes?

(Take one or two examples)

in europe they had to build a system that kept the working class happy and not revolt

We're not doing essays 😃

@Deleted User Dialectical/historical materialism

if anything the USSR made it so people in the west had better working and living conditions

Stop being a ussr apologist

Tbh

USSR apology is stupid

We need to apology USSR becouse people have a wicked image of what it was

Social democracy does not solve class struggle

particularry in the west

>implying it wasn't wicked

coming from russia people here are pretty real about it

And generally the arguments against capitalism still apply to social democracy

if anything lots of russians miss it

Thats nostalgia for you

I can start by saying my key issue with socialism/Marxism once you go far, is the risk of becoming the irony(a nation controlled by the few in parliament).

maybe people want to have a gov that doesnt steal their money for luxuries

Like stalin?

ex east bloc coutnries have terrible wealth inequality

@Deleted User Bureaucracy?

capitalism has failed in every way here

you know

First, are you familiar with the distinction of DoTP, socialism, and communism?

@olev I don't like using the Soviet union/China as an example, as it's like using the US as an example on capitalism. But yeah, the party>People.

I don't know much about China

they talk about the succeses of capitalism in the west, but what about africa and asia?

Ultimately the USSR became a bureaucracy because the lack of productive forces and lack of development

Is Xi an undercover tankie

They could not meet the needs of everyone

Nah

I'm familiar to a point on socialism, but I cannot properly distinct between Socialism/Communism.

people had food etc

Okay, so from a marxist perspective @Deleted User

USSR dissolved becouse beroucracy wanted a pizza hut and shit

they sold themselves to the west

thats why you dont do revisionism kids