Sounds good.

Actually, it would be better suited to say socdem vs. socialism

there is this millionare there who has an hotel with bursts of lenin and shit

so?

Or socdem vs marxism

Anyways

succdem

You can be rich and push for socialism

social democracy was a reaction to communism rising in countries

Ah

Social facism meme

How does Marxism/socialism outcompete Socialdemocracy in your eyes?

(Take one or two examples)

in europe they had to build a system that kept the working class happy and not revolt

We're not doing essays 😃

@Deleted User Dialectical/historical materialism

if anything the USSR made it so people in the west had better working and living conditions

Stop being a ussr apologist

Tbh

USSR apology is stupid

We need to apology USSR becouse people have a wicked image of what it was

Social democracy does not solve class struggle

particularry in the west

>implying it wasn't wicked

coming from russia people here are pretty real about it

And generally the arguments against capitalism still apply to social democracy

if anything lots of russians miss it

Thats nostalgia for you

I can start by saying my key issue with socialism/Marxism once you go far, is the risk of becoming the irony(a nation controlled by the few in parliament).

maybe people want to have a gov that doesnt steal their money for luxuries

Like stalin?

ex east bloc coutnries have terrible wealth inequality

@Deleted User Bureaucracy?

capitalism has failed in every way here

you know

First, are you familiar with the distinction of DoTP, socialism, and communism?

@olev I don't like using the Soviet union/China as an example, as it's like using the US as an example on capitalism. But yeah, the party>People.

I don't know much about China

they talk about the succeses of capitalism in the west, but what about africa and asia?

Ultimately the USSR became a bureaucracy because the lack of productive forces and lack of development

Is Xi an undercover tankie