Yes you are, you trade labor for voucher and voucher for commodity

so what does the storekeeper get in return?

You don't accumulate sure but there's a trade

they don't accumulate the fucking voucher

The shopkeeper is given vouchers for performing his duty

Which he trades himself for commodities

they don't use your vouchers you turned in

They don't need to

nobody owes anyone anything

>A current medium of exchange in the form of coins or notes

>Payment for work

Your labor vouchers are money

The people up top owe you what you need

And you owe them what you can do

@Horse Shmeat Hey, I have a system for our commune, I call it labor tokens, you get them for doing services, and you use them when you acquire or use services.

You can also use them to acquire food and water, as well as for trade.

nobody gains labor vouchers you put in 🅱

It's that you no longer have vouchers and the store doesn't own the vouchers

needs to survive are distributed equally

@Horse Shmeat You keep pussy footing around, it does not matter whether or not the shop keeper keeps the vouchers or not, it is still currency.

Of course you don't own the voucher

you can accumulate money

you don't get anything for yourself from the exchange

You don't need to accumulate it for it to be money

it has a similar function for universal equivalence

The US government actually owns all forms of money that they print out and can recall them if they want to.

You GAIN money

So what makes it different from your currency?

you don't get vouchers off of other people

you get it for the hours you work

So a wage?

>hourly wages

WOW THIS IS TOTALLY NOT CURRENCY GOIYM!

It's not a wage because nobody makes excess profit

a wage involves the boss taking some of the produced profit

Wages don't require excessive profit

if the boss gives the worker the value they produced

they lose money

this is how wage works

You might be thinking of salary

@Horse Shmeat Please, read this definition in it's entirety of currency.

I fucking did

you can stop copy pasting

it's not wealth

"PAYMENT FOR WORK: WAGES"

you don't accumulate vouchers as fucking wealth

Yeah but currency =/= wealth

Currency does not equal wealth.

Currency is money.

but you accumulate currency and money

that is the point

it is used as a standard for equivalent values

Maybe in today's world but for all intents and purposes currency at its base is something you trade (or in your case turn in) for commodity

Which is what wealth is, when you have a lot of currency.

Nobody gets anything off of vouchers except commodities

No wealth is a combination of currency and commodities

nobody takes your vouchers for the shit you bought

But the vouchers would still be currency.

Even if there was no excess.

it's basically a certificate of having labored

So you can have a voucher and not work more than once and just keep taking and taking?

Sick dude sign me up for your commune

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Don't even have to destroy it after use...

It is like welfare money!

you get it for working

So a salary?

needs are distributed

Yeah you get it once and use it over and over again

How is this not currency again?

ummm, no

Since noone takes and destroys it

you don't reuse it

nobody takes your vouchers

do you not understand this

I've typed this 50 times over

So you accumulate your vouchers?

you don't gain other people's labor vouchers

Though they lose their value

I just said you fucking didn't

@Horse Shmeat Do you show your notes to the cashier?

Well you have a collection of used vouchers in the end clearly

nobody takes your vouchers and earns them

That's a lot of dead trees

@Horse Shmeat So you just end up with a pile of paper that has no use other than toilet paper?

Or do you prefer stone tablets

You are going to end up with a lot of worthless items in the end.

Not to mention the value of the currency that you are distributing will be shit.

It's worth a commodity

Or commodities

But the exchange rate wasn't specified

What is a commoditie defnied as?

A voucher is tied to the person who has it

*defined

Do you get what's reckoned to be your daily worth from a voucher?

commodities are things you don't need to not die

Of food/water

Okay so what's the limit

food and water are given by need