if you try and hire people to defend your property then probably

are your workeres given equal share in the business you onw ?

what if I am not poor

but upper middle class

yes

but if you made a big fortune exploiting, you could be judged like a criminal

business is family run

or do you treat them like dogs and take the fruits of their labor

@Sorghagtani Beki then it might not even get seized

what if I had 1 worker

who was outside my family

that's little bourgeois

he would have to have equal ownership of the business and equal say

why

what if he was lazy asf

and I kept him around to be nice

why is he your employee then

@Sorghagtani Beki then the rest of you vote him out of the company

I feel bad for him

then you're against the spirit of the business

if you feel bad for him why doesnt he have equal share

Because I don't feel that bad for him

only enough to give him a job

with minimum wage

he is so shitty

is is basically a basic income

because he does barely any work

then just give him money instead

what minimum wage this is a communist society in a undefined what if scenerio

it has to be done according to the circumstances

so does this lazy man get a fair share

maybe

who knows

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I think these things will become infinitely more clear once a movement actually happens

why would he be there tho? like this is confusing, and why would someone he not be lazy if you are taking the fruits of his labor

Like I said

I keep him around to be nice

I don't think revolutionaries should stick to dogmatic principles in class, but the goal is having a workers' economy

work rate is very low

whats his incentive to give a shit and not be lazy in the first place

he is lazy

not not lazy

who knows

@Sorghagtani Beki people won't focibly come and demand you to give him the rights. It is probably something that will now be possibly for him to do

but what incentive did he ever have to workk hard

who knows

not my problem

like why work hard for someone who pays min wage

I could just fire him

and he would be homeless

back to drugs

probably not in a post-revolutionary economy

which is the case here

he does not deserve a portion of my business

if anything I deserve something for tolerating him

You need workers to work for you

yes

my family does the work

he does barely anything

w/o him there would be no difference

Maybe not, but hten he will find somewhere else. Capitalism creates artificial unemployment. I have no doubt the """""job""""" market will be infinitely different post-revolution

why not? i mean you never even gave the chance t o be in a posistion where there is a reason to work hard, you pay min wage you get min effort what do you expect

again, not my problem

that's more like a peasant

I worry for myself and my family

and in this case I am feeling nice

but you are saying he doesnt deserve it cause he is lazy

but he does not deserve anything more

I already give him a job and wage

even though he does nothing

but there is no reason for him to exert more than min effort

you are creating a catch 22

In socialism he would have a job, good working hours and a full wage

I gave him a raise before

no change in work ethic

He is just a leech

but he'd be paid less if he worked less

I have to deal with him because I do not want him selling drugs on the block

then you're doing charity

I don't think you would have to worry about that post-revolution

does this guy deserve more than I already gave him

he does not even deserve this

but no boss and no employee would ever accept a decrease in pay as a option this whole scenerio is completely bananas

I decreased pay because the increase did not do anything

right now I could do anything with pay

because he is useless

I do not need him

but this happens in no reality

how do you know? Everything I have said is very possible

I could just feel bad for this man

but not bad enough to give him part of my business

the nature of business is exploitation

maybe he's a labour aristocrat

this man is my only worker

no its really not possible cultural etiquite and reality of capitalist society this scenerio never happens

everyone else is family

receiving part of the wages of other workers

I am talking in this scenario

what would happen?