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since when did workers have a value

I ASSUME that is the point here

@Brickiest Brick The folk have value

So if we are capable of producing enough goods with members of the population being unemployed doesn;t it stand to reason that we can't give all these people jobs to meet the requirements

of society

the tougher job you have, the higher you're worth

I don't know about your abboriginal self

it's simple

i'm not giving a mcdonald's worker 50 bucks a fucking hour

people are unemployed for a number of reasons

The more you contribute to the people the more valued you are but if you work you get what you need regardless. Lazy work earns you a trip to the concentration camp

@Brickiest Brick "since when did workers have a value"
The value that a worker has is that they produce

To concentrate

On producing our bullets

you seem to like using blanket arguments

yes i said that but i fell back once i thought about the context

That's my ideal system

TBH

workers have a value

the harder or more important your job the more you get paid

it's a simple concept really

If you refuse to work you even get this neat badge that denotes you as 'anti-social'

not everyone is equal

but the issue is there isn't a need for all these workers

So the guards know to beat you more

and over producing shit for the sake of creating work isn't ethical consumption

Let me tell you a story

no

the private businesses grow

they hire more people

@RobotWizard#3986 "ethical production"*

when you strangle businesses with taxation and regulation they are forced to lay people off

this is why trying to stimulate the economy with regulations doesnt work

all businesses a predicated ton the need to grow

there isn't room for infinite growth

I have a father that spent his life as a psychologist working to help people, often for little money. His brother, my uncle, had no education and got a job selling real estate and ultimately retired with 20mil

Now why is selling property

more valuable

than helping people

?

you people are blaming the rich when you should be blaming the government

Its both

Bourgeoisie are retards so they will never understand how to appease their workers and make them feel like they haven't been cheated. On the other hand the retard bourgeoisie want to make as much profit as possible as is the case in capitalist society

Implying the rich don't control the government

the government strangles businesses and forces people to lay their workers off

What is the solution to this dilemma?

the problem is that the government has so much fucking power

agreed

The current, liberal government exists to save Capitalism from itself. That's why SocDems exist

if the government didnt have so much power the rich wouldnt have any reason to control it

Quite simple, lynch the bourgeoisie and declare the end of capitalism :swastika:

socdems are the worst

>no swastika emote

Regualtions have been useful so far imo

Tf

You act like money isn't a form of power on its own

how am i acting like that

Nike shoes are a form of power too

Letting people dump lead in the water in exchange for jobs isnt worth it

If I went to the hood with a pair of good nike shoes I could come out with like 20 bucks man

I swear

some regulations are necessary

Thats why we need regulations

but ones that are not shouldnt exist

of course we need environmental regu fucking lations

Ok, easier said than done

but the less the better

But it doesnt deal with thr bigger problem

So why is the guy that makes nothing of value. just sells property for other people. Why does he retire on 20 mil? why does the psychologist worth less?

more regulations, no matter what they are, strangle private enterprise

No, less isnt better

Depends

what the

tbh this is basically regulations

its not a black and white thing

@Nicholas91 It is a shame that the men who sacrifice for others earn very little for themselves. IMO the repayment is just delayed and is on a cosmic scale if men fail to deliver to those good hearted souls.

@Nicholas91 because the guy with 20mil worked for it and he earned it

Yeah thats my poin

Less is better is such a lazy argument

Such is life under the materialistic stage of civilization

how did he earn it?

More materialistic than usual at least

he did the easiest job ever

@Brickiest Brick But there's a conflict of interest in that the government acts a "necessary evil" for businesses but big business also tries to dismantle the regulations placed on it, namely environmental regulations because dumping refuse into wherever is cheaper

And i know the cunt

see the main problems with communist thought is that it has no real arguments against capitalism, it only has the arguments based mainly on morality

like, how capitalism encourages greed and exploitation

@Nicholas91 I was talking about the psychologist

yes thats the point

Numbnuts

Big business uses money toj engage in regulatory capture and completely subverts any attempt at regulation

see the EPA

The real estate dude pulled some kike shit to get shekels

capitalism works, and through what moral means doesnt matter

@Brickiest Brick sorry i was responding to the other dude

you people fail to grasp this

Ugh, fuck off you communists with your good morals

its fine

Its like you haven't read adam smith