its tearing PSUV and the Venezuelan socialist movement apart

its a huge problem

Thi is funny

in this video he orders to expropiate multiple business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOjvJAfIMSI

lol, I didn't know they still did that, and I travel with hippies older than most communist regimes last

also, i must admit, even tho i hate him... He is the N°1 Meme of Venezuela

because the *Commune or Nothing* thing was never realised. It never came to be. Maduro had to even apologise to his socialist base for not doing anything in order to realise socialism in Venezuela for half a decade, its a well-known fact that the Bolivarian Process is in effect stagnated and dead in the ground, and it didn't even reach half-way of its original goals

i also understand it what socialism means

Socialism represents itself as an ideology for the peaseants, the proletariat so they can take control of the goverment

......no

that's just wrong

and at the end, it ends in a totalitarian tirany that destroys countries

its not an ideology for the peasants

then why Marx speaks about the workers and the peasants?

its an ideology of the worker control and ownership over the means of production, and the formulation of the society on this basis as a *proletarian republic*

the worker class includes the peasants also

they aren't exactly the same

explain then...

@Xinyue "True Communism" was never meant to exist by DESIGN! Karl Marx was one of the Kohen, a descendant of the line of Aaron and a lurianic kabbalist. His objective was to destroy society, to put his bloodline in power, and to try and break all natural laws, that is in the words of Isaac Luria, to "remove all that is holy" so that the "world would be destroyed" because he thought god clearly fucked up and would "remake it" for him, but nicer.

like, if they work on collective farms, then, but a peasant that owns his own land and sells his product is technically not a proletarian

In Capitalism you can do that

but the difference is

the property is yours

and if you want it, you can sell it to buy annother one

@Xinyue That's called a landed serf.

and you can sell the products of your farm

which works of Marx or Engels have you read? or, if you have not read either, which socialist authors have you read?

so you can produce for your self sustain

@Xinyue why i would read a failure?

Marx even degenerate my national Hero

Simon Bolívar

so in other words you have no idea what you are talking about

makes sense

in a book he wrote in 1858

lol, the only real socialism. National Socialism. 😉 Adolf Hitler, Miguel Serrano, Savitri Devi, Karl Jung, Herman Hesse... need to spread out more into the diaspora though.

he called Bolívar a Coward

he thought he was a false liberator, yes, which he was

HE IS NOT

lmao

and besides

literally is a false liberator

Bolívar at least had the balls to give freedom the 5 countries

Marx was Masturbating without working

well he did well enough for a bourgeois-democratic liberator

so yeah

lol, Marx was a degenerate mooch of a lazy fuck

@Xinyue He give independence to Venezuela

but by no means a proletarian liberator, or emancipator of masses

Without Him, Francisco de Miranda, Rafael Urdaneta, Jose Antonio Paéz, and more

Venezuela would not exist

All he did was mooch off of steiny and talk out his ass about the "working class" while if he would have ever entered a working class bar, they'd of beat the shit out of him.

for you everything that is not Communism is bad

typical

"Capitalism is bad because it is materalistic"

Sure then why you are using the INTERNET

or why you are using a COMPUTER?

or WHY THE FUCK YOU EVEN LIVE IN A HOUSE?

You Should give them to the poor workers so they can live in it

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=1s3fMaBdWD8 <-what the working class look like

@Grimm0175 I'm aware of the general outline of Venezuelan history, I did the basic tour around the main features of the different successive republics, the founding of it, etc. and honestly I'm a bit taken aback as to why PSUV makes such a huge deal out of Bolivar, I think its highly counterproductive to the aims of socialism because he wasn't a socialist himself. They like extrapolate out of three bourgeois philosophers this socialist ideology which doesn't really historically exist

and you can finally be happy with your communist believes

@Xinyue do you even know who is Marcos Pérez Jiménez?

He really did things for Venezuela

Yeah, go move to Venezuela and help them out with your communist rhetoric

As well as Juan Vicente Gómez "El Benemerito"

be sure to record the angry mob, lol

if he travels to my country i would show him Everything

the most "Beautiful and prosperous" parts of Caracas

> Yeah, go move to Venezuela and help them out with your communist rhetoric

I would prefer to go there to do real aid work instead, and the international communist movement has shown itself to be a pathetic failure considering there is NO SOLIDARITY WORK being done

none

the prices and so on

nada

@Xinyue lol

you are even admiting that communists are not even Helping

😂

where's your argument that commies are good?

lol, the only aid they need is a fan for the flames. They'll mature in the fire of revolution.

and they really work for the people? lmao

mostly of my people HATES MADURO AND CHÁVEZ

Better to be scourged by fire than to waste away.

and also around 5 million of Venezuelans left the country

SO THEY CAN HAVE PROSPEROUS LIVES

MILLIONS OF THEM ARE EVEN REFUGEES

@A_Wizard i would trow Napalm on them

That's 5 million cowards, if you ask me. They should have fought against what drove them out.

and give them a BRRRRRRRRRT

@A_Wizard it's really complicated this part

Like hell, you grab a point and you drive it home.

We could fight back, but we have no weapons to defend ourselves

> "admitting"

I'm observing that the state of the communist movement is broken. Maybe you are a 5 year old (mentally or otherwise) and your conception of "team work" is to praise your team and ignore all of its failures and weaknesses. But in my view the greatest service you can do is to viciously attack your team's shortcomings and weaknesses in order to push them to the right direction.

Of course a good communist is viciously critical of the state of the communist movement today. Its a joke. Lots of work needs to be performed, and we can't ever win if we don't do a total 180 and real fucking soon.

and yes mostly of my people, i even admit it

ARE COWARDS

So whip them into shape

but well i think there's no choice

and shoot those who try to come back without a gun to stand beside you

if we protest, the National Guards will repress Us but not only that

So? You fight them.

Paramilitary groups and Hidden Snipers will start kill the protesters

170 young guys died 2 years ago because of the protests

Then you set fire to the buildings

it is easy to say it to be honest but is really hard

They can't see you through the smoke, and have to deal with the problem. It's better to burn it all than let it be used against you

in fact we could overtrow Maduro and his gabinet 2 years ago

but let me explain why this protests didn't work and they have NO POINT

Because a protest is not a revolution

i don't even participate in them because i know there's no point at them, let me explain

The politicians here are cowards, the same old faces, the same idiology etc

many dissident socialists and Marxists in Venezuela are also openly attacking Maduro and saying that, under his administration, the country is sliding towards Fascism and any progress towards Socialism is being stagnated. Like the notion that Venezuela is socialist is fucking ridiculous.

The economy is not planned like it was in USSR. There is no network of councils/soviets, official and workers' alike, that regulate and execute production directives. The tropes of socialism are not present in Venezuela, I don't know where the notion that its a socialist economy comes from.

they don't have BALLS also

@Xinyue They're just trying to blame him as a person, instead of the policies that led to him in the first place.

ah yes, nobody here understands what socialism means apparently. none. fucking great

@Grimm0175 Then stand up and lead them like sheep.

Hello!

the thing is that in 2014 this huge protests started and the politicians in the coalition of MUD (Democratic Table Bureau) that convoked them, so people were participating, they started like at 8am

and then the hours passed, the tear gass, etc you know typical

then it's 2pm and this politicians says "Everybody go home and protests from your houses at 8pm"

socialism isn't some vague fucking concept revolving around "muh welfare state", "muh social programs" or this and that common talking point. its not *kinda public-regulated economy,* its a *total and complete worker ownership and direction of the economy, either directly or via elected mediators,* and exists ***in the absence of the capitalist class and capitalist property relation***

Venezuela is not socialist. Its not. Its at best a mixed economy.

the same thing happened in 2017

@Xinyue just accept your idiology doens't work

@Xinyue Socialism

even Maduro enjoys capitalism

Hitler wasn't a socialist

and he does deals with Narcos

read before you comment @Xinyue 😛 mneh

anyway so @A_Wizard lead my people? it's really hard to be honest and here's my annother point

Yeah, it's hard, but you can do it.

Yes, Hitler wasn't a socialist

Venezuelans are dessesperate, and some of them are divided, they also believe in the first thing they see

its very clear, even by his own admission

@Xinyue Hitler was the Avatar of Vishnu, the man against time who would prepare the way for Lord Kalki's return to scourge you commies from the earth.

but how divided they are? well... some says things like "Look an Infiltrated G-2 CUBAN AGENT", naaaaah this is false and a big ETC

so not a socialist. great. I hate the fact that he posed himself as such

and then the fight starts and so on

Grim, they're desperate, and in need of a leader.

it is really hard for me to explain the situation at this point but at least i'm trying my best

Take over, I'll coach you through it. I am A Wizard, it's what we do.

look @A_Wizard i'm young, i'm 18 years old and i will start the University Soon

i don't want to die

Perfect

I don't want you to die either, I'd feel like I wasted a lot of time.

> I'm young

explains everything tbh

I too was an idiot when 18

Oh go fuck yourself

you are still by supporting Socialism

FUCK YOURSELF

lol

anyhow

i bet you, you go to Starbucks to pay a soy Coffe flavor

I was a pro-capitalist liberal back then haha, that is after all the ideology chosen by young idiots

and criticize capitalism from your Smart phone

wich was invented in CAPITALISM

oh god the boomer talking points

I can't bear it

If you become my asset as a political figure, I'll support you Grimm! Odds are I won't actually ever need anything other than you to say that I am A Wizard, once you're Fuhrer of Venezuela.

I WOULD DEFINITLY KILL YOU

ooooh aaah so scawed

FUCK YOURSELF YOU FINNISH MONGOL

Would be a cool reference to have, lol

ahahahahahahaha

somebody is pissy af

THANK GOD WE HAD THIS GUY IN VENEZUELA IN THE 1950S

this is halaaarious

lol, be nice, finngolians don't process logic the same way

ALSO

A LOT OF VENEZUELANS MISS HIM

also

He killed a lot of Commies

NOW CRY LIKE THE BABY YOU ARE YOU BITCH

this fucking idiot thinks his country is socialist when majority of its economy is not even in public hands, much less in worker hands 😂 oh my fucking sides have mercy

@Xinyue then why even Chávez in Person expropiated businesses

So, do you wish to learn how to move a crowd with just your words? @Grimm0175

you don't even watch the Video i showed you

Chávez in Person EXPROPIATING

@A_Wizard yes

FUCK YES

I can't directly back you financially due to me being in the USA, but I know people.

@A_Wizard *PLAYS THE US ANTHEM EARRAPE*

😒 don't know them well, but they don't hate me for some reason

Chavez *wanted* socialism, and he took moves towards it, but you got to understand one very specific word.

*G r a d u a l*

```ɡradʒʊəl/
adjective
adjective: gradual

1.
taking place or progressing slowly or by degrees.
"the gradual introduction of new methods"

2.
(of a slope) not steep or abrupt.
synonyms: gentle, not steep, moderate, slight, easy, subtle, imperceptible
"a gradual slope"```

at least i'm civilized dude XD

Chavistas are really

really

For now 😁

WE WUZ KANGZ N SHEIT

naaaah believe me

Chavistas are just Insane

they are literally

Oh cool, you speak spanish too don't you?

WE WUZ CHAVEZ N SHEIIIIIT

Again, Chavismo isn't even very good vehicle for socialism. Something like Marxism-Leninism or Titoism would do much, much better

yes i speak spanish

@Xinyue FUCK YOURSELF

i'm talking to the Human not the Animal

and I do hope that, as Chavismo fails, the socialists will abandon the vainglorious gradualism and go ML

I'll need a translator sooner or later for some... papers...

@A_Wizard so what i was going? oh yes

i can give you names of right wing Venezuelans

Actually fuck it, I might pay you to translate some obscure books on Esoteric Hitlerism, lol

> right-wing Venezuelans

aka ***cucks***

😁

in fact there's a Nationalist movement called "Orden: Movimiento Nacionalista"

@Xinyue still better than Starvingnism

Can you find me some redpilled coders as well? @Grimm0175

lmao "Moviemento Nacionalista"

how the fuck is nationalism even a movement anymore, it offers no potential going forward, none

that aren't in venezuela? lol

its depleted from the source

@A_Wizard there's a venezuelan guy called John Patrick Acquaviva

@Xinyue FUCK OFF

Acquaviva is right wing

nationalism is like real fucking small think to be honest

and he does a lot of political videos

Says the guy who literally wants to be in Doggy Style Position for STALIN

I'm not very keen on Stalin

tell me you gay, you want Stalin's Dick in ur ass?

lol

whatever u are still a commie trash

communists are not people

you are proof of it

Nationalism... the absolute most important aspect of actually having a nation.

people like you should be literally have Euthanasia

Nationalism is dumb, and redundant

@A_Wizard Nationalism saves countries

it has no hope to see itself past the 21st century

says the globalist stooge @Xinyue

@Xinyue YOU EVEN HATE FINLAND

>nationalism is dumb

>is on a server called “nationalist assembly”

<:thonk:520003926381166597> <:thonk:520003926381166597> <:thonk:520003926381166597> <:thonk:520003926381166597>

Being a communist also means hating your country

Read Mein Kampf @Xinyue

read siege

we must RED PILL HIM

lol shut up siegefag

HE IS BLIND BY THE JEWISH MARXIST KOSHER

why would anyone be a nationalist? In the long term, it does not hold answers. Internationalism, by distinction, however does. Inherently so.

> read mein kampf

read it, was shit read. dood had some serious issues

To love their country

to improve their Society

@Xinyue *read siege* <:boomer:521456245505523712>

Are you serious? That 50 pages of bitching about the Hapsburgs was pure gold @Xinyue !!!!

and to put their country interest FIRST

TAHT'S WHY NATIONALISM IS IMPORTANT

nationalism is garbage

when it's not Radical as Ultra-Nationalism of Course

nationalism is bad theory and u should feel bad too