like I think people like the Chavists of Venezuela can be called crypto-marxists because they *do* talk of seizing the means and are doing it to some extent while also talking favourably of Cuba, USSR, etc.

Well I did but you kept saying "but but but that's not MARXISM"

so

you can keep saying that

To say that the phenomenon of intersectionality is completely detatched from Marxism i think is ignorant

@Xinyue how do you feel about Strasserism

It's CULTURAL Marxism.

@PunishedMuskovy your picture is going to give me nightmares

Using Culture, not Class, figure it out

That's because you never clarified anything, you just said "crypto marxist bro"

@alexia beef

Wrong.

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@AdorableStormtrooper but they didn't do that. Most Marxist parties in Europe during cold war, for example, were materialist orthodox Marxist parties - for example the FPDL/SKDL of Finland. these only came crumbling down in 1991 when USSR collapsed

I said more than that.

wtf

"but but but, it's not PURE Marxism"

no no

@Xinyue Outdated

not "pure marxism"

"muh purity spiral marxism"

just Marxism

*Crypto marxists in hiding

There are some Based Commies in Russia too

Better?

They are all outdated now

communism as a movement has moved past them

cultural marxists are radical egalitarians

there

They are marxists, and they want to destroy the power in their way using cultural marxism.....CAPITALISM is just another willing accomplice

No such thing as cultural marxists, they are cultural capitalists

Hell, most communist YouTube channels are all SJWs m8, how can you say these are completely detatched movements

Capitalism cant stop Cutlural Marxism....so Capitalists are now on board

Oligarchs dont care, they do whatever works

Wat ?

Capitalists think they can benefit from it

exactly

Open Borders, Cultural Anarchy = Peak Economic Efficiency, they think

They fund these Commies

I mean for capitalism these are fundamental, right:

a) private ownership of means of production
b) free exchange of goods
c) free movement of labour and goods

if you take these away, you don't have capitalism. not cultural, not economic, none. same applies to Marxism, it has its own values and sets of necessary items

a) joint ownership of means of production
b) decentralised commune federation
c) planned economy
d) materialist ontology

and you don't see the "muh guldural margists" aiming for any of these. just like I wouldn't consider a person not going for the fundamentals of capitalism, a capitalist, likewise you can't consider these people Marxist because they aren't going for the aims of Marxism

"The culture has been subverted? Fine, we'll just update our marketing"

Commie sjw's doesn't make the theory of cultural marxism any more real

*don't

"marxists have successfully completed the long march through the institutions....okay, we'll just update our Sales speak accordingly"

they dont care

@Xinyue woah, so anything but free market capitalism isn't Capitalism? you took about the most purist position there out of nowhere lol
i guess I'm no Capitalist now

I meant all of those items. if you have none of those, you don't have capitalism @AdorableStormtrooper

same applies to Marxism

if you have *None* of the listed items, you have no marxism

MOST IMPORTANTLY

marx was essentially right in that capitalism would be used to destroy peoples...not exactly how he predicted

they don't subscribe to historical materialism

All the supposed theories proving cultural Marxism "right"(Frankfurt school,postmodernism ect) don't even support the people pushing this theory

which is like the *lifeblood of Marxism*

yeah

CM is horseshit

Yes, you are confusing a tactic with an ideaology

Cultural Marxism is a tactic

you have no account that their ideology is Marxism

none

in service of an ideaology

Frankfurt School wasn't Marxist tho is that what you're telling me?

Correct

Adorno, Marcuse.. all these people?

Yep

lol ok

there were actually anti-Marxists in Frankfurt School

people say cultural marxism because they are noticing the rise of people who call themselves communist

😐

no joke

ie blue hairs

and they have the same views

I'm sure there were

but we don't know them

because they don't matter

@Xinyue

thats really the origin of the term, it also sounds like it came from the same crowd who formed r/the_donald

People who's work did make influence, were at the time or former Marxists

I've seen right wingers accuse adorno of being some commie who wanted to subvery culture when he was actually very anti consumerism

was

or is

Zizek, arguably the leading Marxist thinker of our times, explicitly for example characterised Frankfurt school as "anticommunists" - and I would agree with that summation. Yugomarxist scholars like Mihailo Markovic (who btw makes for an *excellent* read - much recommended) were extremely harsh for it too

Was as in he is dead @PunishedMuskovy

Cultural Marxism is essnetially Marxism for the Post Modernist age

oh

Zizek is an Atheist Pro Race Mixing Sexual Revolution Supporting Degenerate

not to be too high brow about it

i thought by adorno you meant adorable

This is the state of your movement m8

kek

Zizek is God

oh sheesh

Adorno developed marxism....

"but its not the text Marx wrote...."

i didn't

"its not PURE marxism, bro"

Marxists theory can be developed further by people who aren't Marx

There was also another Frankfurt school guy who wrote something regarding how the nuclear family was outdated/defective and rightists of course accused him of being anti marriage and what not when he wrote this in support of the nuclear family

ain't that right? @Xinyue

```Upon his return, Adorno helped shape the political culture of West Germany.```

tfw the supposed Guldural Margists apparently helped to shape the political culture of the *capitalist Germany* lmfao