monarchs were natural rulers

Fascism isn't necessarily right wing as it is opposed to both capitalism and communism, hence the term "Third Position"

Only fascists tend to really know what fascism is, ngl

In a way it mixes both the right in the left

To an extent

In fascism, you typically see the following

1) the expansion of state power
2) nationalisation of industries in accordance to raison d'etat
3) ultranationalist rhetoric given as rationale for policy
4) capitalism being left intact
5) national rejuvenation

these are typically seen in all fascist countries. Since it is obvious that Fascism does not actually formulate any kind of serious theory on society and politics, I am afraid that you can't get any more particular about what fascism would entail in practice. However, these are all found from Golden Dawn's character and program.

Forced Darwinism? so like Tribal Wars in Africa are Fascists fighting? @Josh42A

Hahaha no they aren't government enforced darwinism

That's just tribalism

@Xinyue correlation =/= causation

other ideologies that do that
hell, de Gaul did that in France, was he a Fascist?

It's peak tribalism

Have you even looked into Golden Dawn? Also btw i'd say your definition is okay for the most part other than "Fascism does not formulate any theory on society and politics" and 2 & 4 being summed up as state capitalism and 3 not really meaning much and 1 just being authoritarianism @Xinyue it's literally JUST a nationalist party, it has zero economic policies, it's just an ethno-nat party against other races.

Again, Fascism *doesn't have any serious theory on society, politics or economics.* Certainly nothing comparable to capitalist and communist theories. In fact, Fascism makes it a point to despise such intellectuals, it makes itself specifically all about action - action in the service of will to power.

Fascism is incredibly simplistic, this is its greatest strength and its greatest weakness.

@Josh42A there are Tribal Governments in Africa mate, they have taxation and redistribution.
They enforce certain laws barring which you're either removed from the tribe at best, or killed at worst ;/

I know

@Xinyue that's just idiotic, fascism has barely had any time to grow, and it is indeed anti-intellectualism though

@Xinyue Julius Evola wrote extensively about those subjects did he not?

is golden dawn even totalitarian?

I mean sure Fascism doesn't have the same benefit as communism and capitalism has, with former having existed for about 200 years and the latter for about 300 years; however, there's no equal of Marx, Engels or Lenin in Fascism - no man who had developed exhaustive theory on society, politics and human nature measured in thousands of pages of pure argumentation and demonstration.

I will be that Intellectual 🙂

Again,

its not *bad* to be simplistic as a movement

this is a great resource

its a major advantage

because *explaining* such wide and vast theory actually is a bottleneck

the only party i would genuinely call fascist is Casapound btw

it limits how fast your ideas can spread

this will be the cover of my first book

like Fascists never have to grapple with explain something like Das Kapital

its a benefit

not a downfall

Excuse me what the fuck

They have Spengler, Evola.. and best of all.. HP Lovecraft.

@Xinyue but this whole point you're making is that Fascism lacks an intellectual source, and it does, but this isn't because of the ideology but moreso the time it has existed.

Evola wasn't a fascist

Wikipedia says he was

idk

I'm pretty sure Evola was just a radical traditionalist

btw everything i'm reading from Golden Dawn makes it look like a nationalist nativistic party btw

I mean Fascism *does* lack an intellectual basis and again this is by design and constitutes both a strength and a weakness. But, it does mean that it never has been and never will be an intellectual equivalent of Marxism.

@Spookaswa he was just a traditionalist

*radical* Traditionalist

<:thonk:520003926381166597>

Well, radical by modern standards

lol

Evola was gay though

@Xinyue it will never been an intellectual equivalent because it's a dead ideology and will never grow again in the literal sense

@aymem No.

it won't faggot

I hope no one expects a literal commie to properly describe fascism

He was even radical when he was alive, he rejected fascism and nazism because they weren't too trad for him

I will be the best Intellectual in Fascism

@Bird Wizard he defined it pretty well ngl

>fascism is not an intellectual equal of marxism

hurr

it is not though

and again by design

@Khat Emperor
```He was even radical when he was alive, he rejected fascism and nazism because they weren't too trad for him```

both are enlightenment derived Modernist ideologies..

u operate in ur shit materialistic framework and expect to understand fascism that way

xinu is a faggot

Golden Dawn is far from a Nativist party lol.
They just repeat what Hitler said.
Nothing more or less.
Just a bunch of glorified skin heads with assault squads.

@Xinyue such dick faggot

Not ebin

isn't Golden Dawn Greek?

Fascism in part was born as the antithesis of the societal models based on abstract theorising of both bourgeois and communist theoreticians, it was born as a raw reaction against the kind of enlightenment thinking that you must lay out a theory of society before you go and do it; it instead posited a very visceral and immediate view on society, breaking it down to its most simple components - will to power, both of the individual and the tribe - and posited that this was sufficient to explain history of nations.

@AdorableStormtrooper yes

who tf cares about Greece

kek

Political Wikipedia is tainted by leftists

Your pfp fits quite well with your statement about golden dawn @Deleted User

I will say though, Fascism is much much much more attractive to most people than Marxism and it's shown by how fast it gained popularity in the early 20th century. It does lack an intellectual framework, it close to completely ignores real economics and just replaces it with a different structured capitalism that is not laissez faire, however, and i go back to what i said. Golden Dawn is just not a Fascist party, if you want an actual Fascist party just look at Casapound @Xinyue

Oh you went back to your old name

nice

Wikipedia only allows SPLC and ADL following activists to edit political stuff and then lock the page

Oh yes "muh Wikipedia is tainted by leftists" - is this why Wiki subscribes to anticommunist propaganda and calls Venezuela a dictatorship? 😂

it is though

dude... it's leftist in the liberal sense

wiki can be edited by anyone

@Xinyue are you retarded

And conservatism is derived from liberalism, what is your point ? @aymem

Like genuine question.

@aymem it is fascist in the 21st century sense though, arguably. Also communist parties are currently experiencing a rebound in popularity. Partly because fascism has been growing, but in larger part no doubt driven by automation and the displacement it causes

@Xinyue Fascism is a enlightenment born Modernist ideology, you're describing them as Reactionary which they're not

@Khat Emperor what?

>venezuela is fascist

LOL

lol

Who said Venezuela is fascist?

liberal =/= leftist

Reactionaries are worse than fascists

Read it slowly @aymem

nobody said Venezuela is fascist

The serb is showing his amazing reading skills again, don't mind

anyone who isn't a commie isn't a leftist. - Xinu the Commie

no

says that as the most matter of fact thing too

@Xinyue it isn't fascist in any sense, the nucleus of fascism is nationalism, fascism (nationalism) has been dead for a long time, the only resurgence you'll get of anything remotely fascistic would be nationalism, and even then it won't be fascism. And in the 21st century sense you have 2 examples of parties that you would call Fascist, one that is actually Fascist in that it actually follows the fascist tenets and doctrine, and one that is an ethno nationalist nativistic party

anyone who isn't a socialist isn't a leftist. communists, mutualists, anarchists, syndicalists, communalists, democratic confederalists, etc. etc. these are the left. the rest are just centrists