Oh you think im commie lmao

No no

Dont get me wrong

Nazbol?

That's fine too

I sure would love to live in a country filled with mass starvation, political purges, concentration camps, and forced collectivism

The system itself is fucking horrendous

Yeah it'd be pretty cool

And the USSR was a mess at any level

HOWEVER

I have studied Stalin and the USSR a hell of a lot

So i find it hard not to appreciate the success they had

Which people immediately jump to me being a slavshit

I mean Stalin started with an agrarian shithole and left it a great power with nukes

Exactly

You can't deny success there

@The Real Head Honcho
Read Stalin The Enduring Legacy by Kerry Bolton?

Stalin and Hitler > Churchill and FDR change my mind

Especially when you look at how absolutely FUCKED lenin left it

@CrowGoCaw Roosevelt was a kike warmonger and churchill was his puppet dancer

That's the top and bottom of it

Churchill and FDR are enemies of humanity change my mind

@The Real Head Honcho right on the nail friend

Roosevelt was on the warpath by 1938

There's a reason he got really fucking chummy with Chamberlain after the Munich Conference when the two despised each other beforehand

Patton was right tbh the US was fighting the wrong enemy

Lots of historians

In books i read on this kind of stuff

A common thing i see is something along the lines of the following

"Germany's continuation of the war to the very last was foolish, and it would only have been excusable if they'd held in the east and let the allies through in the west"

But they forget that at Teheran in 43 Roosevelt literally speaks up in the middle of a conference, completely unnanounced and says

"The war will not end without complete unconditional surrender"

(Which churchill, to his credit, was extremely pissed off at him for)

i like how the allies had a show no mercy and total war policy but its only bad when the nazis do it

Roosevelt wanted Germany removed as an economic threat years before the war began and he used Russian and British bodies to do it

war crimes for thee but not for me

Yeah exactly

Yeah I mean the Nazis minus Roosevelt being a cuck could have snagged a nice peace treaty

Guys ignore the soviet hordes raping and murdering across the east, and ignore the bomber campaign to flatten Germany

DA JOOOOOOOOOS@

@Mairon Germany offered a *COMPLETE* withdrawal from France and a peace treaty with no concessions with the west on the condition they allowed Germany to invade the soviets

4 times

Before June 1941

So within the space of a year, 4 offers were made

All were refused by Churchill

Also fun fact

Poland really wasn't worth it lol

The royal family invited Hess to the British Isles but he fucked the flight plan up, and Goring knew about it which is why he didnt shoot him down when "ordered" to

Sad Sea lion couldn't happen though

So when he was caught and arrested the royals swept it all under the rug

Yeah no that was unfeasible until at least like, 1943

Germany didn't have the troop transports for it

And useless in 1943

Yeah by 42 there was no point

And honestly, the Western Front really did not do much until March 1945

The Soviets would have just gotten everything

At which point the war was well and truly over

If Germany sealioned after 43

Mmhm

the axis were put in almost unwinnable odds and i think they knew that very well

Sad hitler y did u not win war

Yeah the Axis did astoundingly well

Well, you say that

I mean Germany occupied most of Europe

If Italy hadn't invaded the fucking greeks in May 41

It may have gone a lot differently

the Italians delayed barbarossa for 2-3 months, the best months of the year

The Germans were ready to go in late april

If Italy didn't exist the Germans would have won

im pretty sure had the US stayed out and Italy had more competent military leadership it would've been much more possible

@Mairon Italy is a military blight

The old Crete meme.

Sad!

Problem was that Italy was simply not equipped or ready for a major European war

I thought you were based.

Imagine if the Germans conquered the USSR the Allied forces wouldn't be able to touch the Axis

italy had prepared for trench warfare lmao

and it did not work out well

@εïз irma εïз the problem wasn't that they invaded greece

It was that they asked the Germans for help

I am fully aware of the meme.

And the Germans sent multiple armoured divisions that were vital to Barbarossa

Minutiae. Completely irrelevant.

I'm fapping to the idea of an Axis Europe rn

Idk

No fapping in the server

An extra 2 months of non-winter advance in 1941 would've gotten the Germans a hell of a lot more significant gains

The Germans already had vast logistical and military superiority over the Soviets during the opening months of Barbarossa.

Particularly in the south

It was just one of several winters.

Oh yeah i know

I'm not disputing that

No serious historian entertains this line of thought.

Im saying the earlier they started the better

It's something armchair historians jerk off over.

I'm saying Axis is number 1

Im not saying that it was a huge logistical blow

Just that it delayed the implementation of the plan

Sad all countries are either liberal democracies or in africa

@Mairon
>implying one doesn't lead to the other