now we have a different kind of black plague

Because their genetics are near identical, they share millennia of history, they share a political organisation and they mostly speak the same language @Medman

Hard to get more similar than that

that's not clear

spitefull mutants eh

the changes that were necessary in order to fight the war were immense and it included protecting the weak and useless from harm while putting the strong and resourceful up in front of it

in that scenario, this would just be the price for specialisation, you never had the riches your thought you had

The nuclear family was the first step in a great decline

its the same as with warfare, the true war cost peak 50 years after the war or so

ah pretty much everyone is

Building strong, large familial units is the cornerstone to the future though

The English have the highest concentration of traditional families in Europe.

So at least we can work based on that

so you can estimate whats in store for usa

the thing is, i was half joking before, but the coldness has probably always been there

people did not move as far away from each other back in the day

a map of single motherhood in the world would be interesting right now

or get as disconnected due to limited economic opportunity

part of it was the colonial factor

in North America we had a large land area to colonize

so they stayed together more out of necessity and because it was easier

north west of france eh,make sense

that in part drove the nuclear family

a new generation would move west and settle

when it became possible to separate geographically and economically, the familial bonds that were previously necessitated broke apart

people had to live closer together

they needed each other

and it was harder to move

and less reason to move because less free economy and less opportunity

and harder transportation

they didn't live together

hmm

your link doesn't show that they lived in the same house

in fact, it shows they did not

if you read it

what research is this even based on

People in the colonial territories were faced with mass hostility from foreign peoples at every turn in the form of the natives and also suffered severe resource and labour scarcities which most likely would have emphasised the importance of the extended family unit, rather than diminished it

@Nerthulas

the point is, what do you think changed?

clearly the material circumstances

you're not understanding what I'm saying

do you think they became genetically less family oriented?

you wouldn't move with your father to the west

what are you trying to say?

absolute nuclear family never was a thing historically

Yes I am, I just think you overestimate the frequency of it's happening

you would go with your wife, and children if you had them

peopel all work on a farm

Family units migrated together generally, not in parts

and live together

no, old people were not moving west

family unit yes

"evolutionary behavior" is not at all clear

but how large of a family unit

The average life span wasn't that high even lol

one brother stayed in the original territory

Usually was not the case

life span stats are misleading, they include a lot of infant and childhood mortality

especially when you drastically cahnged the environment, then "evolutionary behavior" doesn't help much to predict what happens

well you mean amalgamation of families basicaly handrubbing,yeah for sure

we need a Chinese/Japanese clan system

if you made it to 22 you would be likely to live quite a long time

My entire family spent the last thousand years of their history living on just three islands

what may have evolved will no longer be beneficial in a drastically different environment

you're in the East, aren't you?

cuck island?

We have been a colonial family for about six centuries

😉

Only the second most recent generation of my family left the rest and only within the last few decades

none of this refutes what I'm saying

yes "absolute nuclear family" has only been possible post ww2 or so

old people were not moving west, and at least one brother stayed behind on the original land

so people may actually have evolved in UK to get as away from family as possible for some reason, but because of economics they could not until recently, then when it became possible, the families fell apart

or certainly post urbanisation/ind rev

It does, when you there are labour and resource shortages, people don't split up and head into unknown territory full of hostile foreigners, they stick together

colonization ***did*** drive the Nuclear family for a long time

but they literally did though

This whole 'moving west' thing just applies to the U.S. out of dozens of colonial countries and also disregards entirely who exactly 'moved west'

it doesn't just apply to the US, it happened in Canada as well, the east was settled first

you cant have children without extended family support

there is reason to believe that having excessively tight families was so economically detrimental in the last thousand years in northern europe that it would have reduced birth rates

Yes, but the family units of eastern Canada didn't split up to populate the west, most of the families that peopled the land were new migrants from the UK

those willing to break family ties could have more kids by finding better opportunities

then, when it became much easier to separate, the families fell apart

Migrants that came with their entire families

For the most part

'economically detrimental' *rub hands*

no, it means that if you stayed in a multigenerational household like in southern europe, you could not have as many kids as if you moved to a new house

i am not saying anything is good or bad today

The impetus for the splitting of the extended family unit was urbanisation, not colonialism, it was the movement from the farm to the city

but plenty has been written about this

Young libtards abandoning the agrarian life for the convenience of cities

That's it

yep urbanisation and industrial revolution

industrialization enabled rapid geographic and population expansion of anglos

good or bad, that happened

these maps have no longer history

It caused a brief population boom that expedited the colonisation of Canada and Australia

or only very vague effects

Which are now being sold away to foreigners lol