who's to say you can think or feel @Polekov

yeah but it takes more than 2 weeks to find out you're pregnant

If you where raped you should check

@svarozhyc i am to say

it's obvious that i can

gUYS

I'm pro moving it further back then heartbeat

dRUMPF

iNVITIED

a fetus doesnt develop the mental capability to do either

aLT RIGHT

iNFLUENCERS

i'mma need a scientific proof of that @Polekov 😂

tO THE wHiTE HoUse

like

Since that has nothing to do with being alive or not really

objectively

@Polekov because you are doing it based on a sense of fear that might not be true to begin with.

If we're being fucking real here

@Polekov You're saying that murdering children for personal gain should be legal because babies are too stupid

Does a 1 yo kid actually have mental capacity

@Little Boots it's not on a sense of fear

i did say he sounded like an absolute egotist

haha

I unironically don't think people develop that until a while after being born

@Jake the Exile no im saying that a woman shouldn't be forced to pay the consequences for someone else's actions

yeah a 1 year old can think and feel

relly?

a fetus literally cant

@Polekov it’s like the entire argument of killing baby Hitler. You shouldn’t kill him because baby Hitler did not do the horrible things Hitler did later in life.

how do you know?

sure?

@Little Boots yeah i agree with that argument

You are punishing someone for future crime.

you shouldn't kill baby hitler

If I get shot by a thug I have to pay the consequences of someone elses actions

im not punishing anyone for a future crime

forcing a woman to raise a child from rape is punishing the woman

yep

also 'someone elses actions' can be a reaction to you

They don't have to raise it

Then abortion is also just as morally wrong.

no, cuz ur not punishing anyone

Someone needs to get this man a video of an ultrasound-assisted abortion and let him watch as the baby struggles against the implements and tries to swim away as it's cut apart

heres the truth fuckers

so there's not a realy causality break there

Hey

Just a little tip for whores who cant afford a fucking condom for whoever fucks them

ABORT THE BABY RIGHT AWAY AND NOT WHEN ITS ACTUALLY ALIVE AND READY

A little off topic

@Jake the Exile 1. "muh emotions" 2. Im not talking about 3rd trimester abortions you idiot

Even if you could predict the future, which none of us can, we have no right to simply terminate a life at whim.

don't be such a square @Ayylmao

But I hate that the left wants free abortions and free contraception like nigger pick one

@Little Boots what does that have to do wit hanything

were talking about abortion right

yes we are

okay

im not punishing anyone for future actions

@Polekov The argument is that anything that isn't born yet is a fetus and thus not worth considering as human.

I don't even think the abortion debate is left vs right

Oh yeah, being a responsible mother is such a punishment.

@Jake the Exile no my argument that fetuses, up to a certain stage, arent capable of feeling and thinking

Since Communist regimes back in the day also didn't like abortion

ok, what's better?

neither are you @Polekov

killing a first trimester fetus?

@Polekov But you said it doesn't matter as long as they're rape babies

or a mother leaving a baby in a trashcan?

Again, im talking about first trimester fetuses, who cannot feel

or think

or roasting it like a turkey

I mean I don't want to be dark but

you're taking me out of context

@Polekov because your entire argument is based entirely on that concept of “what if.” We can’t know the future. Terminating their life is depriving them the chance to be able to live it. If they turn out good or bad is not something we can control. However, terminating their existence is an amoral act regardless of their future.

see if you dont abort you can have some use out of it @Polekov

At least we can punish the latter

@Little Boots my argument isnt based on what if, i've never said what if at all

my argument is

Nah

the mother didnt choose to have a baby, and literally cant afford it

A D O P T I O N

and she will either have to abandon the baby in a dumpster

you fucking retard

Its based in protecting women no offence to anyone

in a dumpster

or she will have a closet abortion

Adoption isn't an argument

@Polekov adoption exists.

they have that sign 'unwanted kids here'

yeah most people dont bother with adoption

right

Literally, just go to an adoption center.

There's way too kany kids in the system as it is

^

They will take the baby and find a home for him.

yeah cuz it's not like most babies dont find homes

oh wait

The system doesn't work and kids often get molseted and stuff its fucked

@Polekov oMg tHis Is gOnNA tAkE tImE i RatHeR jUst lEavE mY chiLd i N a tRasHcAN

Most kids are adopted by the age of 2.

But I mean

it's not like orphans becomes dregs of societies and harm everyone

At least they aren't dead

including themselves

I have an idea

I know how to make them not become dregs

Give them to the military

@Polekov it’s better than just killing them.

not really

forcing a kid to live in a constant state of abuse

that's pretty bad

you asked about personal potential @Polekov would you rather have 1% chance of getting a good life of none at all

No

it's a shitty argument

I fucking hate this argument

@svarozhyc im not talking about personal potential?

god i love messing with QR codes

you did go on about mother's ruined life tho

Dude I know people in totally fucked situations and they shouldn't just die

yeah because she literally cant afford a child while she's attending college to become a lawyer

what the fuck man

omg you guys are taking me out of context, ffs

who's that?

Hang on now

If anything, this entire line of argument is insensitive to the highest degree.

who are you talking about?

it's just an example

Why not just have rape baby child support from daddy gov

that's a pretty fucking specific example

because welfare states are evil and hurt everyone

if you can afford to study law you aint fucking getting raped lol

taxation is theft

Svar that's actually retarded

I mean rape kids are way less then 1% I'd be okay with paying taxes for their welfare checks

you think only poor people rape eachother?

Can't be a bluger if you where raped after all

how detached from reality you gotta bee

Most people who are raped are middle class or lower.

Sigh

if you are pro life, then you also better be pro welfare state, cuz how else are you gonna support the babies

I have to agree rich girls get raped too

But address my argument

@Samaritan what is your argument again?

@Polekov or you support basic family values and discourage degeneracy like the current sex culture, which is what I do.

You know? Nuclear family.

you didn get it but i wasnt clear no worries

@Little Boots i am pro nuclear family but being "pro nuclear family" doesnt actually solve the problem

again

u can outlaw aboriton

what problem?

that wont stop people from doing it

is there a problem?

the problem of stupid young people have irresponsible sex?

@Polekov it generally does considering the overwhelming majority of people getting abortions are single women who run around with about a dozen men.

Why not just big government handouts to mothers with rape babies since they are less then 1% of abortions and can't be welfare cheaters if they where raped

@Little Boots ye and u think the law will stop them?

please mr FBI, this totally does not link to a far right neo nazi website

because government handouts are bad

Yeah but it isn't 40% of the population

taxation is theft

Why do you think modern feminists so heavily support it? Most are thots who have zero commitment to relationships and believe they can run off at the drop of a hat.

Same goes for many men as well.

>most feminists are thots

The entirety of the "mercy killing/ future potential" argument is all backwards. The mother's purpose is to raise a child. That's her career. That's the career of billions of women and she should be entitled to nothing more. It's the child's future that has the most value, and literally always has. If you divert women from motherhood the line ends there.

Men have careers, to support their families. If women take careers and kill their children to maintain it, they won't have a family to support.

>most people who disagree with me are morally corrupt

They support it because they want to remove responsibilities

🤔

i mean

i guess technically, yeah it's a responsibility

basically

@Jake the Exile very egalitarian

And that is my point and why I so heavily support the nuclear family.

i think it's unfair to have responsibilities put onto you without your free will

kekek

that sounds like a violation of rights

which u said is immoral

nobody gives a shit about your feels tho

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it's not my feels tho

human rights have a practical purpose

you think it's not fair

it's not fair because it damages society

You don’t need abortions if the overwhelming majority of people are getting into stable relationships and remaining committed to one another.

Want to open another can of worms why shouldn't men have a say in wheather their kid is aborted or not lol

no it doesnt

@Little Boots yeah but you're talking about utopia

you seriously think people in the 50's didnt have sex all the time with random people?

even though the 50's were the ultimate nuclear family values decade?

The fuck you want to live in a society and have human rights who pays for that shit

The taxpayer

yeah agreed people have always been promiscuous

@Polekov abortion wasn’t even an issue up until the beginning of the modern sex culture craze.

BUT

Either be an anarchist or don't lol

Yeah, with birth control

im not an anarchist

only now promiscuous people want the govt to pay for their mistakes

but im pretty close

i dont want the gov to pay for anyone

@svarozhyc also, promiscuous people often had a spouse calling them out and trying to keep a short leash on them.

actually no, generations before the hippies didnt generally fuck everyone and their dog

As well as a family that held them accountable to their actions.

there was social stigma attached to being a whore and whoremonger

^

always been yes

Say what you want but the newer generations are having less sex

Or to be more accurate

@Samaritan men are.

Fewer people are having lot more sex

Women aren’t.

it's really weird talking to youth these days esp native western

I can see why you'd say that but I don't know if its true

y they so puritan

Uh we're not lmao

dunno just muh personal experience

less sex overall but more promiscuous sex

Are you the czech guy

Basically, yeah.

I think I remember another convo where someone said that

said wat

But, yeah, fix the degenerate sex culture and you won’t need on-demand abortion.

that western youth is stiff and boring?

The puritan stuff

never used that word before to describe it haha

@svarozhyc nah, 2d women spoiled everything for us.

must be so widespread you hear it from elsewhere

Maybe

Can't really remember

I think I won.

yes, have a star ✡

MFW I win an argument:

I don't know if I won because I have a bad habit of not reading other peoples chat and only thinking about what I'm saying

the concept baffles me tbh

The example he proposed was the problem.

i mean i remember arguing for 'winning the argument' when i was like 14

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It would have been alright if it was “woman was raped.@

I agree the idea is retarded

But

The addition of “poor” in there completely ruined that.

Boots brought it up so

yeye

I mean

It has value

i cant resist saying stupid shit either as a parallel convo but then people cant have it seems different strands of convos going in the same topic 😛

more abortion!

There are people that exist only to try and 'destroy' you

Even then, the main issue is no one is arguing that abortions that are medically necessary should be banned.

yeah that's what i have on my mind now

What most are arguing about are unnecessary abortions.