Of course you would say that, Coolitic, you would prefer the world run by a corporate dictatorship

?

That's why you have it apply to all corporations

When did I ever say that

The French tax isn't a "silicon valley tax", it's a digital services tax - it applies to their own companies too

Dodge

K

i support anything that hurts silicon valley

That's really shitty principles to go by

WHat?

Support earthquakes <:hypersmugon:544638648721604608>

Congratulations on stooping to their level

The "digital services" tax on google and Facebook then that's apart of silicon valley should be raised so they suffer more for the wrong the do already

"Suffer"

Meanwhile

You are currently using Discord

the moral high ground is worth fuck all if you're being lined up and shot

Yeah so?

If Discord makes revenue in my country, i want it paying tax in my country

Meanwhile, you buy things on Amazon

Taxes shouldn't be used as a course of serving justice for perceived wrongs.

Use YT

Amazon should pay tax in my country on revenue generated in my country

Yes

YT should pay tax in my country on revenue generated in my country

They do

I agree with that @Eccles

They don't

YT does at least

Amazon dodges

amazon are infamous tax dodgers

Google and Amazon need breaking up, too

Why?

And "too powerful" isnt a legitimate reason

Not according to antitrust law

Predatory monopolies

How?

dodging tax and running sweat shops appears to be the limit of amazons evil, they dont seem to have a big horse in the control of culture race

Vertical integration and overwhelming market share

That isnt predatory monopoly

Illegal and uncompetitive practices

Such as?

Google banning competitors from their market place

?

the ones that need to be broken up first are the ones expected to widely interfere in elections and society

Political interference

That's nothing to do with monopolies

amazon isnt even in the top 10 for that

That's just illegal period

Lowering the taxes n stuff makes it easier to pay and then when all the "benevolent billionaires" make their tax deductible donations for "charity" they get along with that good pr. Charity is on the decline. People shouldn't support that buisness and they should get taxed more

It's simple

Tax charities

No that's retarded lol

You're a fool

lol

In before "BREAKING NEWS: Amazon removing books from its store due to political bias"
oh, wait...

I bet u wanna tax homeless people too

We already do

Idiot

With sales taxes

Are you slow?

true

Nuh uh what homeless man u know pays taxes

Amazon are very large in the hosting and backend services sector too, ET

Sales tax exists regardless of ur status

Similar political interference there

No

That's not the question

These industries alongside social media need regulating

What homeless man u see paying taxes

The ones that buy things

Retard

So sales taxes

Incredible

Can u believe this guy fellas?

i wonder if post brexit theyll lower VAT, that tax is a pile of garbage

You know there are decently wealthy homeless people in San Fran, right?

Your honor I rest my case 😤

You know taxes are always based on percentages, right?

Doubt it, System11

This tax looks like a tariff on digital service, or something like that.

That sounds amazing

On digital service export.

A tariff on digital services

So like outsourcing?

Labor or product?

Yes

The day will come when taxation becomes an untenable concept

Not today

That's for sure

Not anytime soon either

Nicest solution would be to force digital service companies to open companies in the countries they operate in and ensure all revenue from that country is passed through and taxed via that company

Because the Google HQ is in the US, the taxes go to the US government.
As we have tariffs in imported goods, i guess they are putting some kind of taxation on foregin digital service.

Right, but on what

side note: i'd like to see epic taxes on offshored labour

Let's get this internet bill of rights underway already

Like ordering twitch prime?

But tbh, i'd prefer they were regulated first as a matter of priority

Or is it taxing outsourced labor?

Service is service, a government will get your money.

offshored, not outsourced

That's not an answer...

On products, Twitch Prime is a product.

Got it

Sounds reasonable

Everything is a products.

As long as it doesnt result in any sort of "double tax"

I'm sure Trump will put some tariff on the French.

I am almost certain that he will...

Double tax is your problem, Coolitic

?

It's up to the USA not to double-tax digital service companies based in the USA

Meaning, the US and the French dont tax the same sale

Cuz that'd be silly and baseless

And stuff is double taxed all the time

By the USA as well as other countries

Meaning silicon valley should be lit on fire metaphorically by being taxed way more than what french people initiated at

Talk about ungrateful and spiteful, lol

I really dislike SV, personally

I can understand the spite - silicon valley is openly malevolent and evil at this point

But I'm not so short-sighted and childish to want it gone

I would disagree

I doubt most of you could go without it

Yeah, I wonder how would this discussion go if Silicon Valley was politically indifferent towards non-leftard voices?

If they went, competitors would take their place

People wouldn't need to go without it

I'd be so much better off without em

Not that simple

We dont need it we literally dont lmao

You do

I dont

I'm here for the discussion

Because I know how to use a computer

Why u here then coolitic go build a family already n have kids

You guys are the ones needing heavy UX and coddling

I'm busy fighting for peoples rights

"Rights"

Sheesh

U sound like antifa

UX?

you could delete facebook, twitter, instagram in their entirety overnight and little of value would be lost

User Experience

@system11 it's a lot more than that tho

Those services could be gone without

deleting google overnight would pretty much destroy the internet, parts of it alone less so. ditto amazon, you have no idea how much DNS is handled by route 53

As time goes on I have this certain feeling that the digital services will be included in Trade deals, you don't put tariffs on our wines, and we will not put tariffs on our digital services.

Literally

None of you guys would survive on a computer without heavy UX

I code for a living, darling, i'd be fine

Fine

*most* of you guys

The only reason I havent deleted Facebook yet was because of family, but I'm moving em off it and just trying to communicate through email n calling them more n such. Twitter is useless fr. So useless. Instagram should have kept independent n not bought off byFacebook, I'm gonna save all my photos n move off there soon enough

Oh really?

It'd be a shame

If it got deleted

You realise Google Facebook and Twatter don't have the monopoly on user interface

what does "heavy UX" even mean?

Before you could move em off of it

Lol

we had working window managers in the 80s.

web browser in the mid 90s

That'll be a *long* discussion

But just remember how computer illiterate people were back then

And they havent gotten that much better

The Internet was a -much- better place before normies ruined it

Like

Imagine getting everyone here to setup IRC

90% of these guys would get lost

thats easy, x-window based IRC existed decades ago

Again

Most people

I haven't had a laptop since 2015 or something

MIRC for windows is pretty ancient

Cant use it

Wish I had a laptop or smth

Or pc

You are referring to a time when so few people were on the internet

Because you used to require a decent number of brain cells to use apps

I'm baffled by this insistence that if facebook and twitter went away, suddenly nobody would be able to use a computer

most UI/UX bloat is crap layered on crap so that theres a new product to sell or to support lavish websites that are barely usable

I didnt say that

Dont strawman

Then what is your point

@system11 barely usable to us, sure

Not for normies

Coolitic was kissed by alien technology n abducted that's why he's preaching like this

no, ive seen normal people struggle with (for example) windows 10

@Eccles SV is way more than just Twitter or FB

or the labyrinthine mess which is chrome now

What we're demanding is a level playing field with objective and fairly/equally applied rules, protections against monopolies, protection against political intereference and bias, and appropriate taxation

I'd enjoy FF if Mozilla wasnt gay

@Eccles irrelevant

I only struggle because I've literally been without a computer for like 6 years n all I did then was download mods for Halo CE look at memes and turn youtube videos into MP3 files

all browsers are shit, currently - you have to pick the one broken in ways that bother you the least

We were talking about the consequences of ending SV altogether

Overnight

the question is what you mean exactly by 'SV'

All the ventures

All the backend

All the management

It'd be like brexit - a shock followed by period of high entropy as people move platforms, and then back to normal

No

you couldnt nuke it without significant fallout, but if your focus is social media you absolutely could hit the big DELETE button right now and people would get by

You dont think someone else can just make youtube?

It'd be going back to a 90% reduction of the internet

Someone else already did

That no1 uses

Key point

If YT didn't exist, that custom would go elsewhere

Nope, not most of em

Half *at best*

Lol, of course they would

And that's after a long adjustment period

All silicon valley is this right, imagine if all the soda companies instead of having their headquarters in different states imagine they all lived in the same area and they called it "Corn syrup alleyway"

No

Ignorant

Another business will become the next youtube or Facebook or Twitter or google

youtube is much harder to replace, there are no viable alternatives

There are, System11

Yeah server farms are no joke

but twitter we could delete right this minute

@system11 continue this for me plz

I gtg

There are working and scalable alternatives for all these companies

Itll happen not by them making it but people will just migrate to different outlets

They're just small -now-

name a viable youtube alternative

Bitchute

Hah

Lol

videos which are less watched can essentially die on bitchute

Yeah no.

Commies today basically

That's retarded, Joey

Lmao

I mean am I wrong? lol

That's like claiming peasants oppressed under a feudal system are communists because they care about not dying of starvation

bitchute also lacks a working monetisation model, so killing youtube would kill anyone who creates video content for a living and cant afford to set up their own streaming server

Pfft

Youtube lacks a working monetisation model

Okay let's talk about it then

Where is the cheap housing?

it still works for some people

Here? nowhere, Joey

Where is here

UK

See I'm from US

In places of high crime and no jobs at a push

the cheap housing is all in the north where the jobs arent