Alright man

it's an every day situation

that your model cannot really handle

I wouldn’t say it’s as every day as you believe

lol

Considering people self segregate into their own communities

People self segregating is bad.

Lmao

Freedom of association bad

Another reason for civic-nationalism.

People won't segregate as much.

People will follow the same values and will coexist

America is civic nationalist

People still self segregate

It's not.

America is ethno nationalist

It's not.

What is America?

Not nationalist.

True but it’s falling apart because of that

Nor is it civic.

You already said that

All the issues would go away if it were civic-nationalist

I mean yes, I agree, two different groups of people wanting to have the country being very different than what it is right now. That will just go away

Yeah I see that

Everyone will be unified

And will follow the same values

Ok so you think America or a country is based on values, right?

It can be

Yes but that’s what you want right

Or a common culture

Language

All

Common culture, language etc

And values

I mean, Britain could be Canada or even... America then right? They are using the same Language and culture

Hell they’re all democratic

And have the same enlightenment values

But what happens when we learn values are heritable

Or what happens when values change so radically but the people’s own will

Can you say antifa and conservatives are the same nation?

If based on values

They don’t agree on history

Values, I’d say the culture is different

@Weez your silence speaks volumes

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Sorry I was in the other channel

You can all have the same people in the same nation as long as they have the same values

Values need people to hold them

True, values we will instil in people at school.

America does not have the same culture and values as Brittan.

Exactly we gave them up unlike America

@Weez do you really have the same values as the people in your country? Last time I checked you had people from a different religion arguing about education. Those aren't the same set of values though are they?

You can't have the same set of values from different kinds of principles either. The only thing you can have is a sense of national pride.

I mean, some charities have been going on for about 60 odd years. Keep Britain Tidy @Weez is a good example of how people aren't thinking nationally anymore and they are too afraid to teach people how to be.

https://youtu.be/Nl7FmbrMwjc

https://youtu.be/ng9YjgN19to

#ethnonatgang

All stems from the fact that children aren't taught values in school. @TEABAG!!!

The issues would go away, if they were.

Imagine thinking you can tell free, self-defined and autonomous individuals to follow some outdated set of rules. What are you, a tyrant?

#Not_My_Liberalism

😩

We could just slightly change our schooling methods

And instil those values 🙂

Authoritarian!

No no no, it's just education!

Education that forces children into a mindset where they are subordinate to the teacher is, in and of itself, promoting and ingraining in them authoritarian, proto-fascist cultural values and presuppositions. If the children cannot chose what and how they learn, it's not learning, it's Hitlerjugend boot camp!

How do we fix this then?

The parents obviously can't chose either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_education

(I shit you not, there is ppl out there who think what I just said unironically.)

(and they are influential)

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM !!!!!

What if we just make people give birth to fully formed adults

Welcome to the new, post-Marxist left. Have a seat. Your complementary gallon of bleach will be served to you shortly.

All I wanna see is democratic education sex ed. I'm pretty sure it's just an orgy with the teacher.

@Weez see, all the nice neighbourhoods are the one's without the condoms and the needles and knives sticking out the bushes... Where kids can play and you see the young ones just sat there on the swings with their parents sat on the bench reading a newspaper.

When it comes to tidying up after yourself. .... That's what you're meant to learn , and to say sorry. To be compassionate towards one another . However, in the UK all those went out the window and they started to just kill the teachers. If they weren't trying to bunk off school.

Fascist!

All values which can be taught in school.

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM hence the reason why the UK have the highest apathy rates going. In my generation we were truants and no one cared.

Then, they went wayward and now it's back to values.

Don't @ me, fascist

Whstever float's your boat. I mean, some parents didn't like jail after they let their kids skip school. That was labour .... That's going a bit far that is

I think parents should have been given support, not jail time .

Don’t @ me, fascist
https://images.app.goo.gl/3gRdiiCQmwEhLqQq9

https://youtu.be/3ToEvz-7trY

@Snake https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2018/08/13/why-different-kinds-of-liberals-think-each-other-are-nazis/

Lol wtf

Huh

It’s a interesting criticism of liberalism for sure

I think that’s why a lot of people are getting sick of liberalism and libertarianism. It seems like they’re always in this abstract world of forms and not in reality

I think it’s particularly true for Ancaps

Who want to follow their beliefs to as much as humanly possibly

Again not always

Even in theory they are incorrect

Well their first premise is that all men are created equal and Locke thought people were blank slates

So yeah they had a bad start

It's much more than that and saying that their ideas are fine but don't work out in reality is giving them too much credit

Self professed "Thinkers" formulate ideologies. Yet they rarely bother to formulate goals for them.
And what's worse is that they create these ideological equivalents of mind castles and praise their virtues constantly, even though the ideologies in question can rarely survive contact with actual humans and human behaviour.

My view is: if your ideology is demonstrably incompatible with humanity, then your ideology is a waste of time and should be discarded.

If you constantly have to excuse your ideology with the words "If only people would..." then that's a surefire symptom of your ideology being fundamentally flawed.

If only people weren't so greedy, then capitalism could work.