on a side note, hemp is a great material to farm, versatile, light, durable, easy to grow. an upstarting community should value this resource, as it can be an early replacement for plastics

i don't want the temptation to smoke hemp

neither do i wish that upon others

hemp grows 0 chemicals :)

They cloud your brain, and prevent you from reaching potential.

Alcohol is especially bad about this.

so we could use alcohol as a form of export

@Rin I'm gonna have to disagree on the weekly part. After 5 days of work a man should be able to unwind.

have you guys seen the movie "Captain Fantastic" ?

nope

you should

it's about this kind of society

@ram3n we would have to have a distilery permit to make and sell alcohol.

oh shit

ok so no selling it

outside the community

hehe

I'm not gonna say we for sure we wouldn't allow it @dmac100 , only that it's highly discouraged. If you want to get fucked up once a week in your own home, I personally don't give a shit.

as long as they don't start drunk shit right

Men fight when drunk

Trust me it will happen

this is hemp, it does not grow any chemical compounds

strictly used for animal feed or industrial purposes

If it affects your life in any meaningful negative way, we have a problem. How's that?

yep

agreed

ok

Alcohol could be a great export imo

nationalize all industry

Much legal trouble.

hm

Special licenses required, tarrifs, government inspections...

No thanks.

well i think we should be self-sustaining and should require no extra help or money

that leads to greed

@Rin some states allow making wine or beer for personal use.

and monopolies

and capitalism

@dmac100 That's not export.

International trade is how a country grows.

So self sustainment would be hard

>literally a small rustic town in the forest

ew

Even the Amish export

autarky is the best

And the Amish build structures *for others as well

You have to export. Unless you own a country thats massive.

Exporting is fine, just nothing that requires the (((government))) to inspect anything physically.

Whose government ours or theirs?

theirs

The US government obviously.

but yeah i've changed my mind and decided that i would prefer to remain isolationist

@Saxon it depends on the sect. The ones who live near me act like jews, not hard working simple folk.

if we start exporting

we get on peoples' radar

on peoples' radar = government inc

how much exportation are we talking here? we could industrialize on a small scale, beekeeping, traditional foods, etc

What? Foods? Dude you gotta sell minerals

Mining

>mining

>ruining environment

nice

We are building a "colony" within the contiguous US, therefore we are still subject to US law. We won't be able to "export" booze without jumping through the same hoops everyone does.

Which is a non-starter.

Is it legal?

*i hiss at modern society*

Is what legal?

Making alcohol?

Forming a country inside the united states.

it won't be a country

How are we gonna pay taxes and buy tools if we don't sell our goods. We don't need to be flashy, but we do need a source of income for expansion. If we're near a large city farmers markets can make us tons of money.

I said colony, not country.

just a town built by people together

Ahhh

So, kinda like the hutterites?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterite

@spudman I see us more like the mennonites. They still use some modern tecnology and are more lax on religion.

We aren't isolationist economically, many of us will likely have jobs in the general population. And there will of course be things that we must buy outside as well.

i think if industry is on the table we should produce products from the land with the help of some machines / methods of procesing

maybe

We'll want all skillsets, blue and white collar. Especially those in finance. Agriculture doesn't make money anymore unless it's huge in scale.

It's great for self sustenance though.

well since i'm going into carpentry

we could sell like

tables n shit

cool ass wooden statues

all kinds of stuff

Trade skills are especially useful.

@Rin People at the farmers market in my city sell organic hierloom tomatoes for $4.00 a pound. Agriculture prices depend on where you are in the nation.

Yes, people do buy them.

organic foods are very good profit, especially if you become a well known regional brand

@dmac100 And how many pounds do you think you can produce?

5000 pounds?

Hell, 50,000 pounds?

Thats 200k a season, IF you sell everyone and lose none to disease.

That's enough for maybe 3 families per year if they are stretching it.

It would depend on the amount and quality of land I have. The real money is in growing things people have never heard of, like this https://www.starkbros.com/products/berry-plants/kiwi-berry-vines/anna-hardy-kiwi