I'm a fan of montessori model personally

we're talking about high school too tho

Montessori goes through hs

At that level they are living in a boarding school with independence from family learning trades and selling things they make themselves

going to ask a new qotd soon, can you guys move it to <#452955229227319306> potentially?

Probably i just wanted to answer

But montessori is awesome

yeah ok

i did montessori when i was little

but i would hate to be doing that now

It changes as you age

You'd hate being able to explore topics you choose

@here 🔖 Daily Question
Should politicians be held accountable to a certain extent for the crimes of the people they invite in if they shield them? Do we need new laws. (Looking at you UK and your pedo gangs)

If by 'held accountable' you mean ''should non-Goverment persons lining them up and shooting them, and the government pretending like it didn't happen'', then yes

^

@iwantfun no. But which ever gov in power during the instance of these crimes need to enforce the law, and exact justice

I'm not really for governments coming after people though

they should be charged with obstruction of justice.

I think the politicians in question should be lambasted in the court of public opinion, but not legally, I guess. Even tho the court of public opinion just ignores those crimes.

im focuseing on the shielding part if they shield known criminals as some do thats a crime.

Just remove the laws shielding them

don't make it more complicated

when you have to add regulation on top of regulation to deal with the regulation it becomes hell

And this would be too subjective and up for interpretation

we should bring back Outlaw classifications

You shouldn't bring ppl in without a plan for them

If bringing them in means they arent able to work and find lawful means of supporting themselves then they shouldnt be there

If they follow a law that is contrary to yours like sharia law you cant have it

This is why I brought up open borders plus zero welfare state

immigrants can come in but there is no support system for them

Then supply and demand dictates how many immigrants want to come in

And immigrants have to speak the language and adopt the basic values of the land to make it (keep a job)

It seems like the market can just regulate how many workers are in it, right?

And those who come in and can't support themselves, well, they will have to leave or be homeless. Reality is harsh.

oh what's up @Lotus Calme

ah yes the free market solves all problems

eh

what do you guys think of the theory

I see how it makes people work but I don't necessarily see how it forces people to learn english and adopt western values

But maybe that isn't necessary, maybe it's ok to have chinatowns and spanishtowns and muslimtowns if there's no support system and just the law and the market

open borders?

Yes

no

As it was in the early 1900s

Open Borders defeats the purpose of being a sovereign nation

ok, can you break down your reasoning please

the way I see it immigrants can fulfill an economic need especially when a country isn't replacing itself fast enough (US) and balance out demographic issues that lead to not enough workforce

the problem is when they have opposing values or don't work

Well

White people are set to lose their majority in the US if the current immigration trends continue

and?

Immigrants drag the economy down and take jobs from white people

yes but WHY do they drag the economy down?

immigrants don't drag the economy down

what if they didn't get welfare and tax money

that's not what the evidence says

and they had to contribute, leave, or die

most of the immigrants into this country do not share our values and have no desire to assimilate

just like anyone who lives here

and if the economy grows there's more jobs for everyone

yes but how is the economy going to grow when the market will just be oversaturated with low skilled workers

The only people dragging the economy down are the people who create less dollars in the economy than their life takes away.

it makes the country asa whole less safe

immigrants don't have to be low-skilled

No the people dragging the country down are a) black people and b) the immigrants who were allowed in here bc of muh diversity

oh open borders nvm

I'm not convinced open borders is right

it will never be

but i am pretty convinced that anyone who matches the country's language, values, and works is a positive

"black people" being a problem is due to welfare state.

Look at the timing of the black family being crushed.

no

It's when welfare state came in.

Yes. You should watch some Thomas Sowell from the 70s. He says the same thing.

Right when the black family started to break statistically

black people are a problem bc they are inherently inferior

was right after welfare state came in.

@Roman Dmowski no

they've been given everything they need and they still do not succeed

Yes

"black people are a problem bc they are inherently inferior"
dude, fuck off you utter plonker

lmao

vobeyo please look at the single-parent home statistics

and the timing of them

for black families

"us white people have given the poor inferior black people all the things we think they need"

and see that it coincides almost exactly with the increase of the welfare state

look at crime stats, look at history

you'd be paternalistic but instead you're just racist

we have

looool

shut it down, the goyim know

race doesn't decide shit

we haven't given black people jack shit

human evolution stopped a long time ago

not even equal opportunity

just welfare i guess so that's jack shit but whatever

you give any people all the free shit and it actually *breaks* them

Race decides a lot of things

any people group

calling one race inferior is bullshit

and yes, there is an argument for IQ, genetics, and race realism.

and we have given black people literally everything

wtf are you talking about @Roman Dmowski

But can you please explain why the black family functioned well before the welfare state

that is false

even a generous advantage in hiring procedures

you just want to justify the fact that you are a racist

exactly

where is your evidence that the black family functioned well before the welfare state lol

with some bullshit

statistics vobeyo.

what statistics

black single parent home percentage over time

single parent household percentages went up bc black people are lazy and their culture promotes that

giving a people group extra free shit actually breaks that people group

black people have unequal opportunity

no @Roman Dmowski that's not true

lol black people have more opportunity than whites and they still can't do jackshit

black people do have unequal opportunity and you're still not disproving lp's point

you're a fucking sicko mate,
stop making huge blanket statements about an entire race of humans

you just made a biased claim

um, no?

and used it against fucking statistics

"single parents went up cause welfare look at stats"
"well i think it was cause they're lazy and i'm right cause i say so"

learn how to make an argument

There *is* a separate point about Race and IQ which is true and really sucks. IQ is largely genetic. And racial history is genetic history. Jews and asians for example have the highest aggregate IQs.

Vobeyo is basing his arguments exclusively on this to say 'black people hopeless yo lololol'

well

However.

Those are averages only.

Jews are an outlier

iq is mostly genetic but there are factors that influence it

they are parasites

And you can find sooo many lower IQ people who succeed.

If not succeed, they contribute to society.

malnourished people will tend to have lower iq's i think

IQ alone cannot be the only factor here.

There are outside factors too.

Again, look at historical stats.

you are the literal personification of a self-righteous arse

please kindly fuck off you tit

look at the mere fact that black people have never created a lasting, successful society

lol this is the right cafe @Lucifer get used to it

@Roman Dmowski you're historically incorrect but ok

I for one enjoy the internet, it's the only place people feel free to argue these opinions

and argue them we must

so let's do it

lol

I'm not saying anything self-righteous or historically inaccurate

mali and egypt come to mind

you guys don't want to argue an opinion bc you don't like it

i do want to argue the opinion

because it's wrong and harmful

Look

reality is tragic, wrong, and harmful. And IQ does change between races. And it unfortunately must be talked about it.

However, it does not change the value of humans whatsoever.

> egypt
not entirely black

And people of lower IQ can contribute and be stable

> mali

shithole

wut

have you ever studied african history?

even for like 10 minutes

you're just wrong

ooga booga

on mali anyways

there

african history

that's pretty blatant racism

dude look at how mali is doing rn

their hdi is so fucking low

empires don't have to last until the present to be successful

@Roman Dmowski how much factor do you think the 'brain drain' has on modern africa?

e.g., all smart people can get out and go to a better place

so they never fix their own

one of the poorest countries in the world

cycle of poverty

lol

This video is an explanation of it in a few minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Vobeyo do you have an opinion on the 'brain drain' point?

Those who are very smart and skilled in Africa don't stay because they can get to the west and the west lets them in

because we like to let smart people in obviously

well it's a huge reach

how much of a factor do you think it is?

how would the intelligent people gain the resources to be able to leave

let's say IQ is a really big deal and a big reason

not a factor

The 130-150 IQ people in Africa are able to be relatively successful there and gather enough money to leave

@Roman Dmowski us is pretty good about aiding high skilled immigration

and they do, because they can be wayyyyyyyyyy better off

we shouldn't be

tbh

yes, and it's a good point

it's good for the us

no

that skilled immigration is immoral and hurts other countries

it isn't

it is vobeyo

it hurts all

I've worked with several smart indian and asian immigrants who contribute so much value

it's obviously useful

okay

If you can have a top 1% worker in any industry working with you

net benefit or net detriment to you?

that may be true but they are still harming the US

what statistics do you have

they're not white in a country that is supposed to be for whites

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-29/study-american-economy-hampered-by-limits-on-skilled-immigrant-workers

Is it about race or values?

I have the decline of the white majority in the US

both

usa is not supposed to be for whites

race and values tend to be closely intertwined

yes it is

@Roman Dmowski let's say skilled immigrants are 0.01% of immigrants.

well fuck that

In that case, it makes no difference demographically.

it was founded as an ethnostate

Assuming your race argument is correct.

well there's no reason it should be

look he's a racist we can argue "but muh racist"

or we could argue the points

lol

yeah it's just tricky cause for most of my life i've just assumed racism is bad

you don't have to assume, it is correct 😃

the facts are way more interesting

and then i came here

racism is not bad

so vobeyo let's just assume

that's what's so funny

via skilled immigrant visas (easier to get), we immigrate only the top 5% workers from any industry

you've been taught your whole life to reject racsim

and they are 0.0001% of immigrants

racism

is that a net good or bad to US

depends on the country

nations that don't share our values and race = bad

let's say asian, indian, african. the non-whites

bad

even saudi-arabian

bad

Hello.

let's say you bring in the top 5% workers who will contribute 10x the value.

in my industry we call them '10x developers'

still bad

What is the "question of the day"?

what if they help work for some of the companies that help consumers the most?

still bad

and contribute some of the most to US GDP and US economy

bad