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I'm a fan of montessori model personally
we're talking about high school too tho
Montessori goes through hs
At that level they are living in a boarding school with independence from family learning trades and selling things they make themselves
going to ask a new qotd soon, can you guys move it to <#452955229227319306> potentially?
Probably i just wanted to answer
But montessori is awesome
i did montessori when i was little
but i would hate to be doing that now
It changes as you age
You'd hate being able to explore topics you choose
@here 🔖 Daily Question
Should politicians be held accountable to a certain extent for the crimes of the people they invite in if they shield them? Do we need new laws. (Looking at you UK and your pedo gangs)
If by 'held accountable' you mean ''should non-Goverment persons lining them up and shooting them, and the government pretending like it didn't happen'', then yes
@iwantfun no. But which ever gov in power during the instance of these crimes need to enforce the law, and exact justice
I'm not really for governments coming after people though
they should be charged with obstruction of justice.
I think the politicians in question should be lambasted in the court of public opinion, but not legally, I guess. Even tho the court of public opinion just ignores those crimes.
im focuseing on the shielding part if they shield known criminals as some do thats a crime.
Just remove the laws shielding them
don't make it more complicated
when you have to add regulation on top of regulation to deal with the regulation it becomes hell
And this would be too subjective and up for interpretation
we should bring back Outlaw classifications
You shouldn't bring ppl in without a plan for them
If bringing them in means they arent able to work and find lawful means of supporting themselves then they shouldnt be there
If they follow a law that is contrary to yours like sharia law you cant have it
This is why I brought up open borders plus zero welfare state
immigrants can come in but there is no support system for them
Then supply and demand dictates how many immigrants want to come in
And immigrants have to speak the language and adopt the basic values of the land to make it (keep a job)
It seems like the market can just regulate how many workers are in it, right?
And those who come in and can't support themselves, well, they will have to leave or be homeless. Reality is harsh.
ah yes the free market solves all problems
what do you guys think of the theory
I see how it makes people work but I don't necessarily see how it forces people to learn english and adopt western values
But maybe that isn't necessary, maybe it's ok to have chinatowns and spanishtowns and muslimtowns if there's no support system and just the law and the market
As it was in the early 1900s
Open Borders defeats the purpose of being a sovereign nation
ok, can you break down your reasoning please
the way I see it immigrants can fulfill an economic need especially when a country isn't replacing itself fast enough (US) and balance out demographic issues that lead to not enough workforce
the problem is when they have opposing values or don't work
White people are set to lose their majority in the US if the current immigration trends continue
Immigrants drag the economy down and take jobs from white people
yes but WHY do they drag the economy down?
immigrants don't drag the economy down
what if they didn't get welfare and tax money
that's not what the evidence says
and they had to contribute, leave, or die
most of the immigrants into this country do not share our values and have no desire to assimilate
just like anyone who lives here
and if the economy grows there's more jobs for everyone
yes but how is the economy going to grow when the market will just be oversaturated with low skilled workers
The only people dragging the economy down are the people who create less dollars in the economy than their life takes away.
it makes the country asa whole less safe
immigrants don't have to be low-skilled
No the people dragging the country down are a) black people and b) the immigrants who were allowed in here bc of muh diversity
oh open borders nvm
I'm not convinced open borders is right
it will never be
but i am pretty convinced that anyone who matches the country's language, values, and works is a positive
"black people" being a problem is due to welfare state.
Look at the timing of the black family being crushed.
It's when welfare state came in.
Yes. You should watch some Thomas Sowell from the 70s. He says the same thing.
Right when the black family started to break statistically
black people are a problem bc they are inherently inferior
was right after welfare state came in.
they've been given everything they need and they still do not succeed
"black people are a problem bc they are inherently inferior"
dude, fuck off you utter plonker
vobeyo please look at the single-parent home statistics
and the timing of them
for black families
"us white people have given the poor inferior black people all the things we think they need"
and see that it coincides almost exactly with the increase of the welfare state
look at crime stats, look at history
you'd be paternalistic but instead you're just racist
shut it down, the goyim know
race doesn't decide shit
we haven't given black people jack shit
human evolution stopped a long time ago
not even equal opportunity
just welfare i guess so that's jack shit but whatever
you give any people all the free shit and it actually *breaks* them
Race decides a lot of things
any people group
calling one race inferior is bullshit
and yes, there is an argument for IQ, genetics, and race realism.
and we have given black people literally everything
But can you please explain why the black family functioned well before the welfare state
that is false
even a generous advantage in hiring procedures
you just want to justify the fact that you are a racist
where is your evidence that the black family functioned well before the welfare state lol
with some bullshit
black single parent home percentage over time
single parent household percentages went up bc black people are lazy and their culture promotes that
giving a people group extra free shit actually breaks that people group
black people have unequal opportunity
lol black people have more opportunity than whites and they still can't do jackshit
black people do have unequal opportunity and you're still not disproving lp's point
you're a fucking sicko mate,
stop making huge blanket statements about an entire race of humans
you just made a biased claim
and used it against fucking statistics
"single parents went up cause welfare look at stats"
"well i think it was cause they're lazy and i'm right cause i say so"
learn how to make an argument
There *is* a separate point about Race and IQ which is true and really sucks. IQ is largely genetic. And racial history is genetic history. Jews and asians for example have the highest aggregate IQs.
Vobeyo is basing his arguments exclusively on this to say 'black people hopeless yo lololol'
Those are averages only.
Jews are an outlier
iq is mostly genetic but there are factors that influence it
they are parasites
And you can find sooo many lower IQ people who succeed.
If not succeed, they contribute to society.
malnourished people will tend to have lower iq's i think
IQ alone cannot be the only factor here.
There are outside factors too.
Again, look at historical stats.
you are the literal personification of a self-righteous arse
please kindly fuck off you tit
look at the mere fact that black people have never created a lasting, successful society
I for one enjoy the internet, it's the only place people feel free to argue these opinions
and argue them we must
so let's do it
I'm not saying anything self-righteous or historically inaccurate
mali and egypt come to mind
you guys don't want to argue an opinion bc you don't like it
i do want to argue the opinion
because it's wrong and harmful
reality is tragic, wrong, and harmful. And IQ does change between races. And it unfortunately must be talked about it.
However, it does not change the value of humans whatsoever.
not entirely black
And people of lower IQ can contribute and be stable
have you ever studied african history?
even for like 10 minutes
you're just wrong
on mali anyways
that's pretty blatant racism
dude look at how mali is doing rn
their hdi is so fucking low
empires don't have to last until the present to be successful
@Roman Dmowski how much factor do you think the 'brain drain' has on modern africa?
e.g., all smart people can get out and go to a better place
so they never fix their own
one of the poorest countries in the world
cycle of poverty
This video is an explanation of it in a few minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
Vobeyo do you have an opinion on the 'brain drain' point?
Those who are very smart and skilled in Africa don't stay because they can get to the west and the west lets them in
because we like to let smart people in obviously
well it's a huge reach
how much of a factor do you think it is?
how would the intelligent people gain the resources to be able to leave
let's say IQ is a really big deal and a big reason
not a factor
The 130-150 IQ people in Africa are able to be relatively successful there and gather enough money to leave
@Roman Dmowski us is pretty good about aiding high skilled immigration
and they do, because they can be wayyyyyyyyyy better off
we shouldn't be
yes, and it's a good point
it's good for the us
that skilled immigration is immoral and hurts other countries
it is vobeyo
it hurts all
I've worked with several smart indian and asian immigrants who contribute so much value
it's obviously useful
If you can have a top 1% worker in any industry working with you
net benefit or net detriment to you?
that may be true but they are still harming the US
what statistics do you have
they're not white in a country that is supposed to be for whites
Is it about race or values?
I have the decline of the white majority in the US
usa is not supposed to be for whites
race and values tend to be closely intertwined
yes it is
@Roman Dmowski let's say skilled immigrants are 0.01% of immigrants.
well fuck that
In that case, it makes no difference demographically.
it was founded as an ethnostate
Assuming your race argument is correct.
well there's no reason it should be
look he's a racist we can argue "but muh racist"
or we could argue the points
yeah it's just tricky cause for most of my life i've just assumed racism is bad
you don't have to assume, it is correct 😃
the facts are way more interesting
and then i came here
racism is not bad
so vobeyo let's just assume
that's what's so funny
via skilled immigrant visas (easier to get), we immigrate only the top 5% workers from any industry
you've been taught your whole life to reject racsim
and they are 0.0001% of immigrants
is that a net good or bad to US
depends on the country
nations that don't share our values and race = bad
let's say asian, indian, african. the non-whites
let's say you bring in the top 5% workers who will contribute 10x the value.
in my industry we call them '10x developers'
What is the "question of the day"?
what if they help work for some of the companies that help consumers the most?
and contribute some of the most to US GDP and US economy