Not to mention the countless comments he's made encouraging war crimes

And rape...

I don't know enough about Duterte, I know he kills drug dealers and that he's an atheist (it was in the news recently)

but that's it

Drug dealing shouldn't be a capital offense...

No?

You don’t have to be racist

You can certainly make the case it should be

Just be duterte

If you cripple an entire section of a city with drugs, that would be forgivable?

But yeah, Duterte encouraged some soldiers under his command to commit war crimes

To be brutal, rather than to show empathy

Empathy towards your enemies will get you killed.

@SilverLining Could it not be considered an act of selflessness if you take away one person's life to save the lives of others?

Should an individual pay with their life for a non-lethal crime? No.

Also, do keep in mind

this is *extra-judicially*

Drugs can be lethal....

As in, they're not going through the court system

Heroin is deadly

for example

Drugs are worse than lethal in many cases.

Yes, in higher doses. It's not directly damaging

Many drugs are, though not all

They are capable of debilitating many.

You should get killed for dealing drugs like heroin, but if you're addicted, you should get help

If you're just selling weed, then no, you shouldn't get killed

And said drug dealers aren't forcing others to do drugs... Besides, iirc, he's punishing the users as well

He's killing people selling weed... And again, this is all *outside of the legal system* which is a pretty damn bad thing

I'm not defending duterte, I just said I know little about him other than that he kills drugs people and hates God or something

his own words

I've read up on him a fair bit...

I get that you're not defending him, but things are a lot worse than they might seem on the surface

Maybe people should... Stop?

I think if they know what will happen, and are willing to risk their life on it, then it's perfectly fine.

As they made an active decision.

Are we talking about the people doing drugs?

as in, buying them?

If so, I agree.

They know there's a risk - they're willing to risk it - that's perfectly fine.

They're not being forced to.

Nope, and they do it with the full knowledge that they could very well be killed for it.

Oh, the drug dealers?

Okay, so, question.

Should the Philippines outlaw cigarettes?

And kill any tobacco dealers?

If yes, fair. You're consistent at least. If no, why not? Cigarettes are known to be damaging to the health of users.

If they do it with the full knowledge that it could cost them their lives, then yes.

A country is fully allowed to make their own laws.

Why should it have to cost them their life?

Sure, but "being able to" doesn't mean it's moral.

Because they do it with the knowledge that it could.

I presume we're discussing morality in this situation, yes?

And that active choice would lead to it.

Why be racist when you could be duterte

"Why be racist when you could be very racist"

@SilverLining Back to your question about empathy, and this is the problem I have with the argument:

When people say you should look out for foreigners, they say that without realizing people who refuse to do so reject helping them *with the intention* of causing harm to their own people, and believe that flooding their country with migrants that bring crime is going to hurt their own people,

In other words, it assumes a lack of empathy, when there is none, it just manifests itself in a different form

*when there isn't a lack of it

One could argue the neo-liberal open-borders position is the one which lacks empathy, because it's motivated by profit

It's motivated by political gain.

Sure, the neo-liberal open borders position might be profit motivated, but I really doubt most people support open borders/accepting refugees for profit, as most people aren't business owners

A majority of people who support it merely see others in need - others suffering

I misworded that, I forgot to add "and claim you have no empathy towards others", but I;m sure you get it @SilverLining

No, but most people have belongings.

Empathy can be misplaced

And most people have homes.

Besides, this is, of course, neglecting the fact that closed borders actually *helps* profit

Lives that they have built up honestly.

Many times, businesses hire undocumented immigrants and call ICE shortly before payday

I oppose open borders because I believe it will harm the people in the host country

in order to ensure the workers don't receive any compensation for their work

Howso, razor?

Good.

Also, I must question, why do you place the denizens of the host country as more valuable than the potential migrants?

And what do you mean "good", brilliance?

You already know my position, that migrants from the third and second world are more criminal, something even the BCC reluctantly admitted recently

Do you simply enjoy the fact that the rich can exploit the needy?

That's what it soudns like.

They *needy* are not economic migrants.

I'd like a citation for that

So...

... What are you even saying?

So if somebody jumped off a cliff and dies, who do you blame?

The cliff, or the person?

@SilverLining Coming with the source soon

Economic reasons are just as valid to move.

For example, in Mexico

Which, I presume you're talking about

Yes, but there is a due process.

A due process which not only costs several thousand dollars which those illegally migrating cannot afford

But which takes several years

during which their poor family will continue to suffer, if not perish

If you go and steal an apple, and then are arrested, do you blame the system, or yourself?

Make migration easier and cheaper

You made the decision that lead to your consequences with full knowledge of what that consequence could have wrought.

If I'm nearly starving while someone else owns 1000 apples, I blame the system for forcing me into that situation.

Yet you decided to anyway.

Because I needed to

Or else I'd starve.

Imo, we just need an EU-esque American pact

@SilverLining They admitted it, but they were apologetic about it, with the same kind of left wing "It's not their fault, it's *your* fault" bullshit that i usually hear

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45419466