that's not true

there are a bunch of liberals in super liberal cities that swing it

"bunch of liberals in super liberal cities"

Thats a given

@Doctor Anon Do you support the wall, though

@Hum Yes

@21tagtmeiern The polls on support against the wall are misleading from their origin

21, just look at what researchers asked: “All in all, would you favor or oppose building a wall along the entire border with Mexico?” To me, it’s a confusing question. After all, there already is a wall or fencing along approximately 700 miles of the southern border. It might make more sense to ask, “Would you favor or oppose building a wall along the remaining, unwalled portion of the border with Mexico?”

Second, why ask about something that’s not under consideration?? A wall along the “entire” border? If you think Daddy Trump favors such a thing, that, too, might be blamed on confused reporting.
In July, Daddy Trump told news outlets, "It’s a 2k-mile border, but you don’t need 2,000 miles of wall because you have a lot of natural barriers.” News outlets reported that as if they were hearing it for the first time. “President Donald Trump doesn't see the need for a proposed border wall to stretch the length of the roughly 2,000-mile frontier with Mexico,” the Associated Press reported.

While we are on news being fake news and misleading the people, assuming there’s value to asking a poll question about something that nobody is proposing, there’s additional nuance to consider. The polls ended up with a Democrat-heavy sample: 38 percent Republican/Republican leaning and 52 percent Democrat/Democrat leaning. The 14 percentage point difference means Pew interviewed 38 percent more Democrat thinkers than Republican thinkers. I can’t find any estimate that says the actual U.S. population is politically lopsided along those lines.

They rely on samples that are scientifically sound but dont show the fill picture and are shockingly small... often 1,000 people or less. They apply a lot of magic weighting and adjustments that sometimes takes pages of disclosures to explain, in order to try to make sure those 1,000 people somehow reflect the beliefs of 323 million Americans. It’s the pollster’s clients, often news organizations, that may be responsible for one-sided or incomplete reporting of results.

@Deleted User

What do you think the wall would achieve? They can always be smuggled in or some shit

It's just a deterrent.

Like security guards.

It would be just as, if not more effective to post guards.

And probably be similar in costs.

@Hum A wall would stop around 70% of immigrants

for a specific amount of time

Since ~70% come by via mexican border

Until they get innovative.

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@Deleted User Legalize killing of illegals @Hum

ok and?

Allow civilian militias to patrol the border

ummm

might cause a bit of drama but ok

Death will stop the vast majority of migrant motivation

Not many are going to volunteer their time to patrol a border that should already be patrolled.

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 Wrong, there are several civilian militias that already want to

The Feds should be taking actual care of it.

militias which will probably end up getting into skirmishes with the military if not controlled but yeah

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 The government would work alongside the militias

I'd gladly volunteer to patrol the border

what stops a militia from firing at the military

Putting an armed guard every so often would be a deterrent, the military is already paid regardless. Put the military to work.

@Deleted User a bigger military

we're talking groups?

You would Patrol the border for no compensation?

not the entire US National Guard

Hire a patrol that patrols the border patrol.

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 i guess so, the militia part would be to ease off tension and make it look like the people want it

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 I would on my off time, for free.

a lack of communications, or even sloppy mistakes could lead to skirmishes

Just use the military, they're there to protect the National interests

who would train these militias?

So put them to work actually protecting that interest.

Militias are for show you @Deleted User

then?....

The military would be the ones actually guarding it

Rather than invading Nations that don't support the US Petro dollar.

what's the point of militias if they do nothing?

That's a guise.

@Deleted User It's symbolic, just like the wall.

@Hum wrong

To show there are people who support it that aren't ordered to.

Correct me, then.

Walls a proven to reduce illegal immigration dramatically

Basically it is for morale support.

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 w r o n g

read above

militias mainly focus on drug caravans anyway, if several groups of migrants came at once, the militias could only focus on 1 at a time, most likely the one known to be carrying illegal subtances

The militia.

The Wall is a deterrent

Like I said earlier.

it would stop 70% at the first few months, eventually some will say fuck it and try another way

There are tunnel diggers and stuff.

^

But that's difficult and expensive.

via boat

@Deleted User Here's my ultimate solution mate: A border wall with the military permanently stationed there, that has authority to shoot anyone trying to cross into the U.S legally. @Deleted User There is no research to support that ever has or ever will happen, on the contrary walls are proven to reduce immigration by up to 70% *forever*, it only goes back up by 2-3% after a few *years*.

And can only allow so many at a time.

@Deleted User are you retarded, the national guard already patrols the waters, almost no one uses water ways

You wouldn't be able to make a big tunnel and have it go unnoticed for very long.

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 U.S already deploys tech to detect tunnels

I was just syaing it was an option, you never know, it's not like the US military is impenetrable, it has taken losses before

@Deleted User It cant lose on it's own soil

Yeah, of course they do.

it has

It's never lost a battle on it's own soil

>what was 1812

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 They defended and won

>Rip whitehouse

Uh... Pretty all the records of the rest of the world show that the White House was burned to a crisp.

>rebulit and became more powerful than the brits

>still an L

>still jealous of the U.S

A wall is proven to work, i dont understand why you wouldnt want one.

well, some walls don't work *ahem*

Because it's expensive.

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@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 No its not

25 billion <:SquidDab:459545666725609493>

Illegals cost us more per year than a wall

Illegals cost us <43 billion yearly @Deleted User

Well you're still going to have the illegals in the country.

And the maintenance

And the engineering.

There's not enough cement to make one

The resources.