It couldnt even last without war

60-80 million deaths attributed to fascism? Where'd you get those numbers?

WWII

All of WWII's deaths are attributable to fascism? It's all fascism's fault?

Who would you rather blame?

Even if I wasn't a fascist I would be calling you a moron.

I would make the logical claim that at most the deaths of the side the fascists were fighting can only dubiously be attributed to "fascism" broadly as an ideology.

And I'd like you to explain more about how China is communist.

I asked you who would you rather blame

not why you think someone else did it

stop avoiding my questions

I legit thought you were a troll originally

Which specific aspects of daily life in China are communist exactly? The existence of a strong emerging middle class (petit-bourgeoisie), the existence of private ownership of the means of production (that's as anti-Marxist as it gets), and a materialistic society focused on upward gain? China literally has something called the Chinese Dream modeled on the American Dream.

You know absolutely nothing.

Please, please, please read into Deng Xiaoping. At least know who he is.

Im not explaining to you how china is communist, Its fucking common sense

Because you clearly know nothing.

Google it if you need proof

its well known

I don't think you even know what communism is.

The government owns the means of production

No, China is a state with a ruling government party that claims to be communist to hold onto power because the basis of the state's existence is a communist rebellion fro the nationalist government that now resides in Taiwan.

No, they literally do not.

Ok, Im just going to copy and paste an article on how china is communist for you to argue with

brb

3.1% of China's businesses are owned by the state and roughly 30% of China's GDP is publicly owned.

i.e., the average publicly owned Chinese business is 10x bigger than its private counterpart.

What this means in practice is that China uses SOE's to exert geopolitical power overseas, such as in the case of Ecuador.

30%

That means

But it also means that 70% of the economy is PRIVATELY OWNED.

all the large buisnesses

30% is not even a majority you brainlet.

The majority of the economy is owned privately and the VAST majority of businesses are privately owned.

97% of all businesses in China are privately owned. Think about that.

The Chinese government only uses SOE's to exert geopolitical power overseas. That is pretty much their only reason for existence.

They actually perform poorly compared to privately owned businesses, as expected.

They're funded by the state at expense to the state. Just like any publicly owned business.

Just face it: You have no fucking clue what you're talking about,

Go to sleep.

nearly every chinese bank is state owned (which lets them control a majority of buisnesses)

the media is state owned

BBC is state owned. Is Britain communist?

the land is state owned

State-owned banks are a common feature of developed economies. Guess all tertiary economies are communist.

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Politically, China is as Communist as ever. The country operates under the highly centralized, single-party rule of the Communist Party. Every region, whether it's a province or a city, has two sets of leadership: local government functionaries and Communist Party officials. While there is overlap between the two groups—after all, government workers must be Communist Party members—the top local government leader must always answer to the top party leader. The governor of a province might make day-to-day decisions about filling potholes and snow removal, but the party official controls macro decisions like which businesses get state money and prime real estate.

"Politically", yes. I already said multiple times they have a communist ruling government.

Therefore

But to say they're faithful to Marxism is an entirely different thing. They aren't.

they are communist

That is true

No, pay attention to historical context.

theyre not marxist communist

but

they are communist

Mao took power in China from the Nationalist government. The entire legitimacy of the state hinges on socialist revolution, as the Nationalist government still exists in Taiwan.

Communism is explicitly Marxist. You have no fucking clue at all what you're talking about,

it's one hot take after another.

So is china communist?

You are trying to bullshit your way out of this but the truth is you have no clue.

You said its not

I said it is

I copy and pasted an article

b-but they have a comunist ruling party hurr

you get really defensive and butthurt because I proved you wrong

I'm just confused about what part you don't understand.

Lets ask a random person

All it said is that there's a communist ruling party, and ergo so-called communist officials have some control over local affairs. That' how it is in every country basically.

"Is china communist?"

what will they say

What part do you not understand?

What will they say

Communist ruling party. Historical conflict with Taiwan. Taiwan still exists. To forfeit pretense of communism would put the legitimacy of the state into question.

dont doge my questions

If we ask a normal person

If they know what they're talking about they'll say it isn't.

Most "normal people" are clueless.

What will the majority of people say

It doesnt matter if YOU think theyre clueless

Alright, if YOU think some random article is worth anything since you can't formulate your own arguments, I'll start posting articles.

"Going by what communism – as defined by Karl Marx – has meant traditionally, Professor Shaun Breslin from the University of Warwick would struggle to label modern day China as communist, mostly because the country’s objectives have little to do with class.

“The Communist Party is there to deliver what they deem to be national goals and priorities and objectives, so there’s no class-based analysis at the heart of this,” he said.

“A lot of traditional Marxists would say once you start and finish with the nation, it’s something else. It’s a form of, I don’t want to call it national socialism because of the connotations with different nations and eras, but it is about… these people’s perceptions of the national good, rather than the class good.”

“That’s why I don’t think you can consider it to be anything that traditional communists would necessarily recognise, although that doesn’t mean it can’t be a form of socialism,” he added."

"However, if you look at the Gini coefficient - Wikipedia, you will find that China has a much higher ranking on gc than the vast majority of Capitalist countries, which means China has a much higher disparity between the rich and the poor. (China Income Inequality Among World’s Worst) According to Karl Marx, the founder of Communism theory, Communism would be the cooperative society based on common ownership of the means of production. In this sense, China is no where near a typical Communist country.

In reality, it boiled down to this, CPC's self claimed “socialism with Chinese characteristics” is de facto Crony capitalism - Wikipedia regardless of what you call."

"Communism is defined by workers owning the means of production and, as such has traditionally stood in opposition to capitalist systems where industry is controlled by private owners for profit."

Im going to do exactly what you did

and go back to the original conversation

"Simply put, a dose of decentralization and incentives introduced into a communist system unleashed people’s animal spirits for wealth creation that turned China into the world’s second largest economy.

Going forward, China needs much more than a dose of incentives. It needs the economic freedom to innovate, and that requires a pro-market regime nurtured by a premarket political party.

That’s why it’s time for the CCP to consider changing its name in the upcoming 19th party Congress."

because im too lazy to defend my case again

Yeah, you've repeatedly shown that.

You did it aswell dumbass

You have no clue what you're talking about.

When?

You told me

russia is european only

im not the clueless one

Then when I proved it wrong

you hopped out of the conversation

I said to categorize it as Asian on any grounds but geographic would be silly, not that it was exclusively a European country.

And you have to be braindead to think that's something worth arguing over.

It's really pure semantics.