Message from @εïз irma εïз

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2018-06-21 08:20:57 UTC  

Politically, China is as Communist as ever. The country operates under the highly centralized, single-party rule of the Communist Party. Every region, whether it's a province or a city, has two sets of leadership: local government functionaries and Communist Party officials. While there is overlap between the two groups—after all, government workers must be Communist Party members—the top local government leader must always answer to the top party leader. The governor of a province might make day-to-day decisions about filling potholes and snow removal, but the party official controls macro decisions like which businesses get state money and prime real estate.

2018-06-21 08:21:24 UTC  

"Politically", yes. I already said multiple times they have a communist ruling government.

2018-06-21 08:21:32 UTC  

Therefore

2018-06-21 08:21:33 UTC  

But to say they're faithful to Marxism is an entirely different thing. They aren't.

2018-06-21 08:21:35 UTC  

they are communist

2018-06-21 08:21:41 UTC  

That is true

2018-06-21 08:21:42 UTC  

No, pay attention to historical context.

2018-06-21 08:21:55 UTC  

theyre not marxist communist

2018-06-21 08:21:56 UTC  

but

2018-06-21 08:21:59 UTC  

they are communist

2018-06-21 08:22:07 UTC  

Mao took power in China from the Nationalist government. The entire legitimacy of the state hinges on socialist revolution, as the Nationalist government still exists in Taiwan.

2018-06-21 08:22:25 UTC  

Communism is explicitly Marxist. You have no fucking clue at all what you're talking about,

2018-06-21 08:22:29 UTC  

it's one hot take after another.

2018-06-21 08:22:38 UTC  

So is china communist?

2018-06-21 08:22:39 UTC  

You are trying to bullshit your way out of this but the truth is you have no clue.

2018-06-21 08:22:41 UTC  

You said its not

2018-06-21 08:22:43 UTC  

I said it is

2018-06-21 08:22:49 UTC  

I copy and pasted an article

2018-06-21 08:22:51 UTC  

b-but they have a comunist ruling party hurr

2018-06-21 08:22:55 UTC  

you get really defensive and butthurt because I proved you wrong

2018-06-21 08:23:09 UTC  

I'm just confused about what part you don't understand.

2018-06-21 08:23:29 UTC  

Lets ask a random person

2018-06-21 08:23:34 UTC  

All it said is that there's a communist ruling party, and ergo so-called communist officials have some control over local affairs. That' how it is in every country basically.

2018-06-21 08:23:36 UTC  

"Is china communist?"

2018-06-21 08:23:44 UTC  

what will they say

2018-06-21 08:24:11 UTC  

What part do you not understand?

2018-06-21 08:24:33 UTC  

What will they say

2018-06-21 08:24:35 UTC  

Communist ruling party. Historical conflict with Taiwan. Taiwan still exists. To forfeit pretense of communism would put the legitimacy of the state into question.

2018-06-21 08:24:38 UTC  

dont doge my questions

2018-06-21 08:24:44 UTC  

If we ask a normal person

2018-06-21 08:24:49 UTC  

If they know what they're talking about they'll say it isn't.

2018-06-21 08:24:56 UTC  

Most "normal people" are clueless.

2018-06-21 08:25:00 UTC  

What will the majority of people say

2018-06-21 08:25:20 UTC  

It doesnt matter if YOU think theyre clueless

2018-06-21 08:25:38 UTC  

Alright, if YOU think some random article is worth anything since you can't formulate your own arguments, I'll start posting articles.

2018-06-21 08:25:42 UTC  

"Going by what communism – as defined by Karl Marx – has meant traditionally, Professor Shaun Breslin from the University of Warwick would struggle to label modern day China as communist, mostly because the country’s objectives have little to do with class.

“The Communist Party is there to deliver what they deem to be national goals and priorities and objectives, so there’s no class-based analysis at the heart of this,” he said.

“A lot of traditional Marxists would say once you start and finish with the nation, it’s something else. It’s a form of, I don’t want to call it national socialism because of the connotations with different nations and eras, but it is about… these people’s perceptions of the national good, rather than the class good.”

“That’s why I don’t think you can consider it to be anything that traditional communists would necessarily recognise, although that doesn’t mean it can’t be a form of socialism,” he added."

2018-06-21 08:26:10 UTC  

"However, if you look at the Gini coefficient - Wikipedia, you will find that China has a much higher ranking on gc than the vast majority of Capitalist countries, which means China has a much higher disparity between the rich and the poor. (China Income Inequality Among World’s Worst) According to Karl Marx, the founder of Communism theory, Communism would be the cooperative society based on common ownership of the means of production. In this sense, China is no where near a typical Communist country.

In reality, it boiled down to this, CPC's self claimed “socialism with Chinese characteristics” is de facto Crony capitalism - Wikipedia regardless of what you call."

2018-06-21 08:26:46 UTC  

"Communism is defined by workers owning the means of production and, as such has traditionally stood in opposition to capitalist systems where industry is controlled by private owners for profit."

2018-06-21 08:27:33 UTC  

Im going to do exactly what you did

2018-06-21 08:27:39 UTC  

and go back to the original conversation

2018-06-21 08:27:40 UTC  

"Simply put, a dose of decentralization and incentives introduced into a communist system unleashed people’s animal spirits for wealth creation that turned China into the world’s second largest economy.

Going forward, China needs much more than a dose of incentives. It needs the economic freedom to innovate, and that requires a pro-market regime nurtured by a premarket political party.

That’s why it’s time for the CCP to consider changing its name in the upcoming 19th party Congress."