Message from @L0GAN
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"Politically", yes. I already said multiple times they have a communist ruling government.
Therefore
But to say they're faithful to Marxism is an entirely different thing. They aren't.
they are communist
That is true
No, pay attention to historical context.
theyre not marxist communist
but
they are communist
Mao took power in China from the Nationalist government. The entire legitimacy of the state hinges on socialist revolution, as the Nationalist government still exists in Taiwan.
Communism is explicitly Marxist. You have no fucking clue at all what you're talking about,
it's one hot take after another.
So is china communist?
You are trying to bullshit your way out of this but the truth is you have no clue.
You said its not
I said it is
I copy and pasted an article
b-but they have a comunist ruling party hurr
you get really defensive and butthurt because I proved you wrong
I'm just confused about what part you don't understand.
All it said is that there's a communist ruling party, and ergo so-called communist officials have some control over local affairs. That' how it is in every country basically.
"Is china communist?"
what will they say
What part do you not understand?
What will they say
Communist ruling party. Historical conflict with Taiwan. Taiwan still exists. To forfeit pretense of communism would put the legitimacy of the state into question.
dont doge my questions
If we ask a normal person
If they know what they're talking about they'll say it isn't.
Most "normal people" are clueless.
What will the majority of people say
It doesnt matter if YOU think theyre clueless
Alright, if YOU think some random article is worth anything since you can't formulate your own arguments, I'll start posting articles.
"Going by what communism – as defined by Karl Marx – has meant traditionally, Professor Shaun Breslin from the University of Warwick would struggle to label modern day China as communist, mostly because the country’s objectives have little to do with class.
“The Communist Party is there to deliver what they deem to be national goals and priorities and objectives, so there’s no class-based analysis at the heart of this,” he said.
“A lot of traditional Marxists would say once you start and finish with the nation, it’s something else. It’s a form of, I don’t want to call it national socialism because of the connotations with different nations and eras, but it is about… these people’s perceptions of the national good, rather than the class good.”
“That’s why I don’t think you can consider it to be anything that traditional communists would necessarily recognise, although that doesn’t mean it can’t be a form of socialism,” he added."
"However, if you look at the Gini coefficient - Wikipedia, you will find that China has a much higher ranking on gc than the vast majority of Capitalist countries, which means China has a much higher disparity between the rich and the poor. (China Income Inequality Among World’s Worst) According to Karl Marx, the founder of Communism theory, Communism would be the cooperative society based on common ownership of the means of production. In this sense, China is no where near a typical Communist country.
In reality, it boiled down to this, CPC's self claimed “socialism with Chinese characteristics” is de facto Crony capitalism - Wikipedia regardless of what you call."
"Communism is defined by workers owning the means of production and, as such has traditionally stood in opposition to capitalist systems where industry is controlled by private owners for profit."
Im going to do exactly what you did
and go back to the original conversation
"Simply put, a dose of decentralization and incentives introduced into a communist system unleashed people’s animal spirits for wealth creation that turned China into the world’s second largest economy.
Going forward, China needs much more than a dose of incentives. It needs the economic freedom to innovate, and that requires a pro-market regime nurtured by a premarket political party.
That’s why it’s time for the CCP to consider changing its name in the upcoming 19th party Congress."
because im too lazy to defend my case again