because the question is rubbish.

Why is it rubbish?

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for the hundred time.

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objective and subjective are **epistemological** distinctions

do you know what epistemology is?

No. Please enlighten me. I want to be impressed.

hundredth

not hundred

epistemology is asking "how we know what we know?"

so for instance

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Kant believes that there is an "objective" reality called the noumenal

HOWEVER

https://archive.fo/AfVxc#selection-1032.26-1032.27 @everyone ***ATTENTION***

we know

we can only experience the "subjective" plane of reality

called the phenomological

@[ϟϟ-Ostf] Kurt Daluegette what is that chief

this gave birth to many modern and latter contemporary epistemologies

@JogaFlame Antifa and SJW's are going to raid several discord servers soon

?warn @[ϟϟ-Ostf] Kurt Daluegette trying and failing to ping everyone

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Again?

no man

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@[ϟϟ-Ostf] Kurt Daluegette we know idiot

if they comin in here

Kant wanted to marry Rationalism and Empiricism

what we doin

I look forward to skullfucking Antifa bugmen. I'll think of @Deleted User while doing so.

because his argument for ETHICS is one based on RATIONAL perimeters

it's an AXIOMATIC argument

@JogaFlame staff are aware of the situation chill

oh ok

AND ALSO deontological one

@JogaFlame pretend to be a tankie server

@Leaf Supremacist they'll never notice

it creates a UNIVERSAL AXIOM of morality

Kant doesn't claim this as objective

knowledge of morality is not a priori

WHICH would lead us down a whole 'nother rabbithole

but try to grasp these basics first.

Alright but why is the dichotomy between objective and subjective morality incorrect?

because morality is metaphysics

no serious philosopher makes claims for objective morality

he might appeal to G-d as the foundation for his deontological system

but the system is still metaphysics built on scripture (which has been done many times during the Scholastic period)

Yeah but that doesn't explain why there isn't a dichotomy between the subjective and objective bases of morality.

There absolutely is.

there is no such dichotomy

That's why everyone but you was able to grasp the question.

:(

that's because the internet spreads bad information

I like you better when you're being a turboautist.

the greatest philosophers of Christian ethics

never claimed "objective morality"

Perhaps hours of turboautism drained your fuel cells.

they raelised the issue of morality is far more complex than that petty distinction

maybe you should actually read the Thomists

before you go spouting off this utter tripe

objective morality is unknowable and unprovable, but it exists

and utilitarianism has more in common with Kantian deontology than relativism

because utilitarians make a universalist argument much like Kant did

the important distinction is deontological/consequential

relativism is another camp entirely

that claims ethics are culturally bound

I'm afraid no one cares for your pedantism.

this is not pedantic

well, hes finally making positive claims so i am at least marginally more interested

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if you want to engage in a serious philosophical discussion with anyone who knows their way around these concepts

you have to understand them and how to apply them.

Noooooooo

@Jay1532 That's a Kantian argument

the noumenal exists but it is not accessible to us

@Deleted User get the nignog back

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if you really want to get into the muck of objective versus subjective read about Locke and Bishop Berkeley's argument about how the eyes perceives colour.

But once again that's an epistemological argument.

anyways, I tried to help @εïз irma εïз and she insults me.

This is why you rarely find me imparting my knowledge despite having more of it than anyone else in here.

I can't think of a reason why anyone would ever insult you.

@Deleted User what's his jew username now

I feel like I've egregiously misstepped.

Anon why are you so autistically fixated on keeping as many people in the server as possible?

Even tumors like Otter.

Don't get me wrong, I like having him here.

But you easily could have let him go.

actually Jay's argument was more of a Platonic Kantian hybrid

I wear power crocs and do THODs 8 hours a day.

@εïз irma εïз exact reason you want him here

It's hilarious

So what about the Europa dude?

Completely forgettable.

He's just based

anyways