you said yourself you arent allowed to sell for profit if you make your own wares

Again, capitalism = private property + waged labour

yes, and selling a duck toy for a profit is a wage

WHAT

I love selling stuff

Wage is what you get for work producing stuff you don't own

ah of course

so the service industry

has no wages

because they dont produce anything

Service industry sucks

psychologists dont have wages

doctors dont have wages

personal trainers dont have wages

Of course they have

Providing services = producing labor force

wage is what you get for work producing stuff you don't own

This Ukrainian has some pretty good English

and some pretty bad logic

Better than those fucking irish

Their English is awful

Nah, I feel that my English is shitty

back to the topic

you're a freelance psychologist

And?

you work for a wage

you own yourself

you work only for yourself

that is private

and has a wage

But you don't own the people you help

your wage isnt earned while working for someone else

You produce their mental health

>you produce their mental health

i have yet to hear something this retarded in my life

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there is no production in services

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production requires tangibility

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Fron the POV of economy, producing stuff and providing services are the same

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Producing stuff increases the number and quality of stuff

Providing services increases the number and quality of labor force

Labor force is a good too

you produce nothing by telling a guy he has depression, who then pays you. And if you do, and he pays you and you earn a wage like that, the man who makes a duck doesnt own his customer either

so he is by your definition the same

aka a corporation, aka capitalistic

You improve that guy's mental health, and then he can work better and make more stuff/provide more services, that's why you get paid

The man who makes a duck on its own isn't earning a wage because he owns the duck

A service is economically productive. There is a whole type of economy called the tertiary economy where the primary source of GDP is services, i.e., the developed world.

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Simply because those services are not physically tangible doesn't make them irrelevant.

@Advocatus Diaboli you owns the means to achieve the mental health

You help improve that guy's mental health because you want to help people and you charge it because you need to earn a living your self.

So, you want to help or you want to make money?

once again

You want to help and make money so you can live.

stop the word masturbation

you own the means to achieve the person's mental health

A comfortable life.

by the same logic, a lawyer helping a man to get out of legal trouble does not own the man, but he owns the knowledge to help him get out of legal trouble

your allegories make no sense

@Adoring Fan If I'm working for a hospital, I de jure temporarily lease my abilities to help people to the hospital (like it's not me helping, it's the hospital providing the service), that's the reason why people give the money to the hospital and then I'm getting paid by the hospital and that's a wage. If I'm a stand-alone psychologist, I alone own the means to cure the patient, but then the money I get is not a wage.

yes it is

legally speaking they are wages

first you went to thinking that psychologists have wages, now they dont

make up your fucking mind, tankie

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the problem here is that you have no understanding of what you say, you merely try to fit everything into your perverted definitions of reality, so that you can apply reality to your worldview

that is not how it works.

and mind you

even if it is

like you say it is

the soviet union still had wages

now i know

You miss the point

youre going to say if youre a doctor earns wages in the ussr it's ok because he "owns the production"

yet he doesnt

How so?

Sure he does

he does only on papaer.

*paper

in practice he owns nothing

this democratic ownership is a falsehood

he can't take a machine from a hospital and put it in his own home

That's what you think

no that's what I know

Yes he can't because he's not the only owner

when everybody is the owner

no one is

The car is owned by all the people

WHAT

That’s a paradoxical statement

screaming "WHAT" while your soy is about to spill wont retract from the point that i made

the car cant be owned by all people

because people had locks

you couldnt take another man's car

you couldnt go into another man's house

Ambulance car is public property owned by all people