If that were true, then the markets would show it. They don't.

US Markets are looking good though

Markets are the best since 2014.

But are the US markets not better in a long time under Trump?

I'm not seeing actual data here, other than feelings.

yup

I dislike him "because he's dishonest".

Nobody cares about that.

US markets are doing good for now but they gana go into a recession soon, unfortunately trumps name will be on this recession

@freeplasma_africa can you substantiate?

He's the first US president to help broker a deal with N Korea.

@Jerm well thats not true

He's not nearly as useless as the media portray him.

you cant have your own facts

https://www.history.com/news/north-korea-nuclear-deal-bill-clinton-agreed-framework

I agree that he is not as useless as the media portray him

Oh, right. I forgot about that. ha

but I need to trust a leader

Thing is, @Tom_Servo , most of your gripes are the same things we hear over and over. They're just feelings.

US is 20 trillion in debt and trump has just begun a tariff war which will only hurt America. Plus he has cut taxes while increasing spending. Its also been 10 years since the last recession so it’s about time for a new one

trust is a legimate business requirement

Trumps dishonesty hasnt spilled over into the market.... YET

no reason to believe it wont

you sound like the Ramaphoria okes

In other words, speculation.

So we're talking about something that might or might not happen.

based on the data we have to make that decision

yes

market speculation

or trading

like most economists do

I am no Trump fan, but I think he's superior to Clinton and the way he's derailed the media is poetry.

how is that relevant though

And @Tom_Servo , are you a market trader?

kasich could have been the president

Ill be honest, I dont know much about US economics, but if recession comes, then he will be to blame.

or an economist?

Go watch peter shiff on YouTube, he predicted the 2008 collapse and explains in detail why the US economy is gana do bad. If Hillary won the election, America would be in a recession already

She would have tanked the economy ages ago.

no

@freeplasma_africa so its just a waiting game then? I would have been scared of a Clinton America

is that a problem?

@Tom_Servo Because you come off as the usual anti-Trump type with no data.

you dismiss data as biased

Intermission joke!!!!

Your arguments have been around the way he talks about women, for example.

There's nothing wrong with the way he talks about women.

nope, that was one point... out of many

Yea the economy got a boost from a trump victory, but he still hasn’t fixed the biggest problem which is over spending. Plus if Clinton won I’m pretty sure North Korea would be gone by now😂

main thrust of why I say he is a bad leader is because he is untrustworthy and deliberately divisive

So @Tom_Servo , what exactly are you arguing?

@Tom_Servo that's an opinion.

based on evidence

False.

okay, so you would say Trump is not divisive and no more dishonest than any other leader?

To say "bad leader" is a moral judgement. Moral judgements are subjective.

@Tom_Servo he’s a pretty good leader, and I’m saying that as someone who isn’t a big fan of trump

of course it is subjective thats what an opinion is, that doesnt make it something not rooted in evidence though

Millions will argue that he is a good leader.

just facts less important to you than me

Arguing over him being good or bad is silly.

You're using moral judgements - not facts.

you asked the question mate

This is a fact:

Has federal spending increased or decreased?

This is not a fact:

"He is a bad leader."

fair enough... that was my opinion, but I thought the rest of my point explained why I have that opinion

trustworthiness can be proved

I like Trump because he is not afraid to speak and is not PC... That is being fearless in my opinion

his divisiveness can be proved

Great. Good for you. 😂

I like Trump and think he's doing a great job at annoying the media. That's my opinion.

58 million voted for him.

I only like trump because he is a trolling legend😂

We should all end our comments with "in my opinion"

Arguing over him being a good or bad leader is hilariously stupid.

What do the markets say?

Let's go look.

@Jerm it is hillarious that you do exactly what you accuse the left of

"I don't like him because he's divisive."

Bush was divisive.

Because he headed up a party that was in opposition to another party.

not deliberately to shore up power

To be honest, all leaders are divisive

he was divisive on policy

If you are part of a party with views that differ from another, OF COURSE you will be divisive.

What's wrong with being divisive?

Helen Zille is divisive.

nothing... I didn't realise that I would have to be so specific in everything I said here. The implication was that deliberate divisiveness is what I have an issue with

I do not think it is sustainable

in the long term, and feeds into identity politics

Welcome to politics, mate. 😃

That's why I oppose government.

I don't want to be led.

@Jerm awesome that you outgrew that naivety

@Jerm agreed

But Trump is a master troll, and that makes him fantastic.

So trolling is your criteria for good leadership

yup we are going to differ on that one

The pot needs to be stirred to ensure the food doesnt get burnt

fantastic is not?