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2018-04-17 15:45:27 UTC

>The Supreme Court just handed the Trump administration a loss on immigration โ€” and Gorsuch was the tiebreaking vote
>The case the high court ruled in involves James Dimaya, a native of the Philippines who came to the United States legally as a 13-year-old in 1992. After he pleaded no contest to two charges of burglary in California, the government began deportation proceedings against him. The government argued among other things that he could be removed from the country because his convictions qualified as crimes of violence that allowed his removal under immigration law.

>The case was initially argued in January of 2017 by a court that was short a member because the late Justice Antonin Scalia's seat had not yet been filled. An eight member court didn't decide the issue, presumably because the justices were deadlocked 4-4. After Justice Neil Gorsuch joined the court, the justices heard the case re-argued. Gorsuch joined the court's more liberal justices in finding the clause too vague.

>The case is Sessions v. Dimaya, 15-1498.

2018-04-17 15:45:34 UTC

lol a fellow flip

2018-04-17 15:46:55 UTC

so apparently he isn't being deported because the charge is merely burglary

2018-04-17 15:47:22 UTC

probably one of those wannabe black guys

2018-04-17 15:50:17 UTC

@Deleted User what happened to Cake Master Shop vs Colorado Civil Rights Commission?

2018-04-17 15:50:31 UTC

Did I miss the ruling or are they still talking?

2018-04-17 15:51:02 UTC

dunno

2018-04-17 15:51:09 UTC

Cake Master Shop ?

2018-04-17 15:51:16 UTC

The one guy

2018-04-17 15:51:28 UTC

Was like Piece Master Cake shopcor something

2018-04-17 15:51:39 UTC

The one with the gays demanding you to give them shot

2018-04-17 15:51:41 UTC

Shit*

2018-04-17 15:51:51 UTC

Masterpiece Cake Shop

2018-04-17 15:51:56 UTC

vs Colorado CRC

2018-04-17 15:52:16 UTC

The ruling isn't out yet.

2018-04-17 15:52:28 UTC

But that's the really important one, and Gorsuch looks like he's reliable there.

2018-04-17 15:52:39 UTC

It's been like 5 months since they've heard the arguments though

2018-04-17 15:52:51 UTC

Are they looking for precedents maybe?

2018-04-17 16:12:24 UTC

No, they'll probably have it in their summer opinions.

2018-04-17 16:18:39 UTC

>mfw my daughter was non violently raped and murdered by a based brown man
>its okay because we don't know the definition of "violence".
>please convene a group of Jewish activist organizations to write a 10,000 page statute on the definition of "violent crime" please
>BASED GORSUCH PEDE FTW
I'm telling you, brown immigrants will be voting Republican some day. You just watch!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/435836503369842691/1523980139893.jpg

2018-04-17 16:19:19 UTC

but it's clear that rape and murder is violent

2018-04-17 16:19:59 UTC

and if they tried to use the excuse that it requires power+privilege it would simply backfire on them

2018-04-17 16:20:22 UTC

Burglary is vague, come on.

2018-04-17 16:23:16 UTC

also this is only for legal immigrants

2018-04-17 16:24:31 UTC

Despite being in effect in some way since colonial times, Gorsuch thinks that A) a foreign national doesn't know committing 2 burglaries could get him deported B) he has such a right to know and C) contra settled law, deportation is a punishment and not extension of sovereignty

The precedent this will create for immigration lawyers, even for illegal aliens, will be enormous.

F America

2018-04-17 16:24:35 UTC

"You mean he interpreted the law and not side with politics ? You mean he did what he was supposed to do ?"

~ anon on /pol/

2018-04-17 16:24:52 UTC

But this is not the law

2018-04-17 16:25:01 UTC

it is

2018-04-17 16:25:22 UTC

Our statutes require executive officials to deport anyone convicted of โ€œan aggravated felony.โ€ Immigration law defines an aggravated felony very broadly and open-ended, as a โ€œcrime of violence.โ€ 18 U.S.C. ยง16(b) defines a โ€œcrime of violenceโ€ to include โ€œany โ€ฆ offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in course of committing the offense.โ€

2018-04-17 16:30:12 UTC

when it's that vague, it's congress' job, not the SC

2018-04-17 16:35:14 UTC

Thomas: "The Courtโ€™s decision today is triply flawed. It unnecesยญsarily extends our incorrect decision in Johnson. It uses a constitutional doctrine with dubious origins to invalidate yet another statute (while calling into question countless more)."

2018-04-17 16:35:28 UTC

"And it does all this in the name of a statutory interpretation that we should have discarded long ago."

2018-04-17 16:41:21 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/435842215206584320/1523982177942.jpg

2018-04-17 16:42:12 UTC

God bless this man for blocking amnesty legislation since 2014

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/435842430353408000/1523982251883.jpg

2018-04-17 16:46:20 UTC

you should spend more time praising positive outcomes than whining about non-issues

2018-04-17 16:46:46 UTC

>non-issues

2018-04-17 16:47:27 UTC

>lower courts and immigration lawyers now have justification for not deporting criminal immigrants

2018-04-17 16:49:57 UTC

if they commit a violent crime it's still justified

2018-04-17 17:00:34 UTC

We've had the majority of the Republican-appointed SCOTUS rule that "social sharing of marijuana" is not a mandatory deportation offense.

2018-04-17 17:35:38 UTC

@Deleted User Wait are you Filipino?

2018-04-17 17:36:10 UTC

Anyways America does have a problem of corrupting pinoys into discount blacks.

2018-04-17 17:37:11 UTC

JUSTICE GORSUCH, concurring in part and concurring in the judgment.
"Vague laws invite arbitrary power. Before the Revolution, the crime of treason in English law was so capaciously construed that the mere expression of disfavored
opinions could invite transportation or death. The founders cited the crownโ€™s abuse of โ€œpretendedโ€ crimes like this as one of their reasons for revolution. Todayโ€™s vague laws may not be as invidious, but they can invite the exercise of arbitrary power all the sameโ€”by leaving the people in the dark
about what the law demands and allowing prosecutors and courts to make it up.
The law before us today is such a law. Before holding a lawful permanent resident alien like James Dimaya subject to removal for having committed a crime, the Immigration and Nationality Act requires a judge to determine
that the ordinary case of the alienโ€™s crime of conviction involves a substantial risk that physical force may be used. But what does that mean? Just take the crime at issue in this case, California burglary, which applies to everyone from armed home intruders to door-to-door salesmen peddling shady products. How, on that vast spectrum, is anyone supposed to locate the ordinary case and say whether it includes a substantial risk of physical force? The truth is, no one knows. The lawโ€™s silence leaves judges to their intuitions and the people to their fate. In my judgment, the Constitution demands more."
@๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ @FLanon
FLanon is right, he's just a complete originalist

2018-04-17 17:37:23 UTC

He's an Asian, so of course he's going to side with other Asians breaking into the country

2018-04-17 17:37:28 UTC

There's his reasoning for not joining, but concurring^

2018-04-17 17:39:05 UTC

He didn't betray anyone, he was just a complete strict constitutionalist. Though I still disagree, I think Thomas is right.

2018-04-17 17:40:10 UTC

Of course Thomas was right

2018-04-17 17:40:34 UTC

What you don't like Thomas?

2018-04-17 17:40:43 UTC

Him and Scalia were best friends, and Scalia was the best

2018-04-17 17:43:12 UTC

Huh?

2018-04-17 17:45:42 UTC

Oh I thought you were mimicking me and being sarcastic

2018-04-17 17:45:50 UTC

"Oh COURSE Thomas is right."

2018-04-17 18:00:12 UTC

No I was agreeing with you

2018-04-17 18:00:16 UTC

shocker, I know

2018-04-17 18:07:38 UTC

@FLanon @zakattack04
Can we all agree this is so, _so_ tiring?

2018-04-17 18:09:47 UTC

Definitely

2018-04-17 18:10:16 UTC

He should really chill out on the "LOOK LOOK AT THE RASMUSSEN APPROVAL RATINGS"

2018-04-17 18:10:41 UTC

It just looks so vain

2018-04-17 18:21:45 UTC

Inbox from OH-SEN: "Conservative Outsider Mike Gibbons to Announce Plan for Mexico to Pay for Border Wall"

2018-04-17 18:21:57 UTC

<@&414475903410896898> VOTE GIBBONS!

2018-04-17 18:29:27 UTC

I mean I feel bad for the guy

2018-04-17 18:29:32 UTC

All he hears is negative stuff all day

2018-04-17 18:29:39 UTC

More than any of us could imagine handling

2018-04-17 18:29:45 UTC

So I understand why he does ot

2018-04-17 18:29:47 UTC

It*

2018-04-17 18:29:59 UTC

But it isn't the best idea

2018-04-17 18:30:48 UTC

I don't think Ohioans care about immigration @๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ

2018-04-17 18:30:58 UTC

I think they care much more about the economy since they're a rust belt state

2018-04-17 18:31:10 UTC

So you should run a senator with more along those lines

2018-04-17 18:33:19 UTC

@zakattack04 We do have illegal spics here

2018-04-17 18:37:34 UTC

I don't care, either they nominate a immigration hawk or the state can go blue for all I care

2018-04-17 18:38:21 UTC

...

2018-04-17 18:38:29 UTC

You should darn well care

2018-04-17 18:40:14 UTC

No point in having a Republican Congress if none of the Republicans are immigration hawks

2018-04-17 18:40:29 UTC

Everyone should care about immigration to the US. Our immigration system is flawed beyond repair.

2018-04-17 18:40:31 UTC

#VoteGibbons

2018-04-17 18:40:43 UTC

Gibbons is a Republican.....

2018-04-17 18:40:55 UTC

I know

2018-04-17 18:41:05 UTC

Why shouldn't we have a Republican controlled congress then?

2018-04-17 18:41:18 UTC

What I'm saying is if Renacci wins the nomination, let the state go blue

2018-04-17 18:41:23 UTC

NO!

2018-04-17 18:41:29 UTC

we want Gibbons, not Renacci

2018-04-17 18:41:40 UTC

Either way, I am voting Republican.

2018-04-17 18:41:45 UTC

I swear I want to mute you rn

2018-04-17 18:41:55 UTC

The last the Democrats ended up controlling Congress, I lost my healthcare.

2018-04-17 18:42:02 UTC

I would rather a third party before Democrats.

2018-04-17 18:42:10 UTC

Fair

2018-04-17 18:42:20 UTC

But vote Gibbons in the primary then

2018-04-17 18:42:31 UTC

I was planning too...

2018-04-17 18:42:35 UTC

Excellent

2018-04-17 18:42:38 UTC

Then vote him in the primaries

2018-04-17 18:42:46 UTC

Maybe pay attention to the <#399761047348707340> room...

2018-04-17 18:42:49 UTC

If he looses that doesn't mean vote blue

2018-04-17 18:42:59 UTC

^

2018-04-17 18:43:11 UTC

I don't know

2018-04-17 18:43:15 UTC

If Renacci loses,

2018-04-17 18:43:24 UTC

it'll send a message that only immigration hawks can win

2018-04-17 18:43:29 UTC

I mean that may be BM logic but it isn't normal person logic

2018-04-17 18:43:41 UTC

Also Senator Brown is a prime target for Trump's career politician purge as he has been in some form of Public office since the 1970's.

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