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2019-03-16 20:52:49 UTC

there was even a woman with Zika virus, who'se got vitamin C IV for 3 days, day 1 25 gram, day 2 50 gram and day 3 75 gram. She eventually got cured from this disease

2019-03-16 20:53:27 UTC

vitamin C is the ammo for your immune system if that's a machine gun

2019-03-16 21:01:38 UTC

yeah that is a very high dosage tho

2019-03-16 21:03:01 UTC

she's had no adverse symptoms from that vitamin C however

2019-03-16 21:03:35 UTC

have you ever tried a vitamin C IV? if not, would you try one if you think you need one?

2019-03-16 21:04:17 UTC

if it's all being used by ur body there won't be side effects but if it isn't there will be

2019-03-16 21:04:35 UTC

i've never tried it but if i needed it i would

2019-03-16 21:05:26 UTC

in Germany, this treatment is used by a doctor with high reputation known as Wieger Rekker, who practices in Gronau

2019-03-16 21:05:49 UTC

he uses it as a cancer treatment, even Dutch patients have been going to him for treating cancer

2019-03-16 21:08:49 UTC

that's an interesting idea actually, i think that using it in combination with something like chemo could be very effective especially in later stages of cancer and definitely something that would be interesting to learn more about in early stages as ik the immune system can fight cancer

2019-03-16 21:09:17 UTC

well, that has been shown to decrease or eliminate adverse reactions from chemo

2019-03-16 21:09:34 UTC

but I think patients who had chemo should later get pro-neurogenerative substances

2019-03-16 21:09:58 UTC

or in a nutshell, nootropics

2019-03-16 21:12:08 UTC

that's really interesting. personally i think a little more research should be done but it does seem effective

2019-03-16 21:13:45 UTC

yup

2019-03-16 21:13:55 UTC

adding reason to that to understand a bigger picture too

2019-03-16 21:15:03 UTC

psychedelic substances like DMT, LSD and psilocybin have increase complexity of neurons, which has been observed under a microscope
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211124718307551
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(18)30755-1

2019-03-16 21:16:39 UTC

yeah that's rather interesting, ik psychedelics can cause really bad trips tho so it does make sense to be wary of using them

2019-03-16 21:18:54 UTC

should be, but it will also make sense to make first a hallucination test (can be done with just some fruit) and deciding the hallucination dose by using toxicological principles (begin from highest dose psychedelic to lowering it until the dose for hallucination (lowest needed for hallucination) is found)

2019-03-16 21:19:07 UTC

yeah

2019-03-16 21:19:20 UTC

microdosing on psychedelics is safe

2019-03-16 21:19:39 UTC

as using 100 micrograms of LSD has not been causing hallucination

2019-03-16 21:23:22 UTC

yeah idk a whole lot about psychedelics but it is rather interesting

2019-03-16 21:23:36 UTC

i think for the most part governments are way too harsh on drugs

2019-03-16 21:24:07 UTC

cannabis becoming legalised more and more is a good step but idk if it's enough

2019-03-16 21:24:25 UTC

that's something to agree on, since governments need to stop prohibiting psychedelics

2019-03-16 21:24:35 UTC

yeah

2019-03-16 21:24:59 UTC

same even for the Netherlands as a nationalist party says they need to even do research to how far "hard" drugs can be legally used

2019-03-16 21:25:03 UTC

having dealers making them instead of actual professionals is so bad. it's safer to legalise stuff than have random people making them

2019-03-16 21:25:20 UTC

if u can buy safe doses from a local pharmacy that's good imo

2019-03-16 21:25:49 UTC

on hallucination though, administration of a dose causing hallucination should always require supervision from i.e. a nurse, doctor or any other authority

2019-03-16 21:26:25 UTC

yeah, where stuff like that is legal "trip sitters" are a big thing

2019-03-16 21:26:43 UTC

they'll just sit with u while ur tripping and if it's a bad trip they'll reassure u that it ends etc.

2019-03-16 21:27:27 UTC

on that, I think that just regular training on working with hallucination is enough to decrease

2019-03-16 21:27:40 UTC

yeah

2019-03-16 21:27:45 UTC

maybe adding to that attanuating hypnosis

2019-03-16 22:21:35 UTC

big pharma big gay lmao

2019-03-16 22:21:48 UTC

i completely agree with this statement ^

2019-03-16 22:21:57 UTC

Alright, @Syrupgod05 has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

2019-03-16 22:22:09 UTC

Alright, @Pepperoni has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

2019-03-16 22:23:23 UTC

big pharma is most likely the new big tabacco

2019-03-16 22:23:32 UTC

as they weaponize doubt

2019-03-16 22:23:35 UTC

yeah

2019-03-16 22:24:16 UTC

Big Tabacco also used doubt as a weapon, had non-smokers ridiculed and even called it safe and medically beneficial

2019-03-16 22:24:25 UTC

as sigarettes were sometimes prescribed

2019-03-16 22:24:27 UTC

i smoke penis

2019-03-16 22:24:39 UTC

what?

2019-03-16 22:24:48 UTC

smoke TNT @Pepperoni

2019-03-16 22:25:09 UTC

oh no dont steal my diamonds MonkaS

2019-03-16 22:25:29 UTC

honestly i think that black people made the vaccines

2019-03-16 22:25:43 UTC

black people are more vurnable to heavy metals

2019-03-16 22:25:50 UTC

as they produce more brain fat as infants

2019-03-16 22:26:00 UTC

lmao so true

2019-03-16 22:27:08 UTC

i hate n_igger_s_

2019-03-16 22:27:29 UTC

ture aswell

2019-03-16 22:27:40 UTC

years ago, they said that there is a safe level of lead

2019-03-16 22:27:48 UTC

today, they say there is no safe level of lead

2019-03-16 22:27:56 UTC

now they also say there is a safe level of mercury

2019-03-16 22:28:10 UTC

truth is, there is no safe level for mercury. It will be emitted

2019-03-16 22:28:15 UTC

no they got rid of that

2019-03-16 22:28:36 UTC

๐Ÿ‡ณ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ ๐Ÿ‡ฌ ๐Ÿ‡ฌ ๐Ÿ‡ช ๐Ÿ‡ท

2019-03-16 22:34:04 UTC

who wanna play fortnite and vaccinate some kids with me?

2019-03-16 22:35:51 UTC

I would vaccinate the kids for Gender Dysphoria

2019-03-16 22:36:00 UTC

that doesn't even require a shot

2019-03-16 22:36:04 UTC

just some hypnosis

2019-03-16 23:12:57 UTC

people who spend their lives looking into these stuff are stupid

2019-03-16 23:27:13 UTC

only vaccinated kids remember 9th birthdays

2019-03-17 00:46:49 UTC

@Dr Langers no trolling

2019-03-17 04:35:29 UTC

anyone wanna argue over vaccines

2019-03-17 10:57:05 UTC

yeah sure

2019-03-17 10:58:04 UTC

what side are you on @FieryNoob#6324

2019-03-17 11:23:04 UTC

most fallacies I see regarding this subject begin with black-white thinking

2019-03-17 11:24:27 UTC

other fallacies from proponents I find are strawman, ad hominem, guilt by association, burden of proof and appeal to authority

2019-03-17 11:24:46 UTC

even mentioning scientists, legitimate or not is an appeal to authority

2019-03-17 16:12:20 UTC

on the topic of what was just posted in <#551617059013001236> : they're not vaccinated against parotitis. someone just read "mumps" and went vaccines are fakes so if you actually read the article maybe you would realise that or if you had any medical knowledge you would know that similar symptoms may lead to misdiagnosis but doesn't mean that it's the same as mumps.

2019-03-17 16:17:45 UTC

well, some say that it's more of a renaming, at the same time it could be a different disease or the mumps could have evolved

2019-03-17 16:55:42 UTC

yeah it may be an evolution/mutation but both of those will make changes to the antigen so the vaccine will kick in as the body may find that there are similar toxins due to it having similar symptoms but then your body will realise wait these antibodies aren't working we need to try smth else (in the simplest way i can put it)

2019-03-17 17:58:09 UTC

evolution of influenza is so fast

2019-03-17 17:58:26 UTC

it could render flu shots useless, sometimes 50% effective

2019-03-17 17:58:53 UTC

getting the flu is preferable, adding vitamin D for decreasing severity does good

2019-03-17 17:59:36 UTC

Alright, @red has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

2019-03-17 17:59:39 UTC

damnit

2019-03-17 17:59:45 UTC

anti vax memes has outlived actual anti vaxxed kids

2019-03-17 18:00:06 UTC

vaccines called me gay and ate my bootyhole

2019-03-17 18:00:22 UTC

it doesn't matter how much you ridicule anyone critical towards vaccines

2019-03-17 18:00:48 UTC

would you rather? Get the flu or get a flu shot containing organic mercury and aborted fetal tissue each year?

2019-03-17 18:01:24 UTC

flu shot

2019-03-17 18:01:37 UTC

does it matter what is in the vaccine?

2019-03-17 18:02:14 UTC

Alright, @red has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

2019-03-17 18:02:18 UTC

What

2019-03-17 18:02:27 UTC

Listen if vaccines have mercury thats a bonus cuz im addicted to that stuff

2019-03-17 18:02:37 UTC

I cant see the color purple anymore but its worth it for the sweet sweet mercury

2019-03-17 18:02:40 UTC

listen i dont care if the vaccine has a virus in it

2019-03-17 18:02:43 UTC

iโ€™m TRYING to die

2019-03-17 18:02:48 UTC

death is my goal here

2019-03-17 18:03:06 UTC

you're making strawman fallacies in the first place

2019-03-17 18:03:16 UTC

Oh I smoke some straws too

2019-03-17 18:03:19 UTC

Thanks for reminding me

2019-03-17 18:03:23 UTC

wait every one went here

2019-03-17 18:03:32 UTC

if you don't care about what is in a vaccine, you would also trust a vaccine that is spiked with Sarin

2019-03-17 18:03:41 UTC

Dude I love Sarin

2019-03-17 18:03:48 UTC

then drink it

2019-03-17 18:03:54 UTC

I just had a glass today

2019-03-17 18:03:55 UTC

i get high off 10 pounds of crack mercury

2019-03-17 18:03:57 UTC

I'll run to the store and get some more

2019-03-17 18:04:04 UTC

prove me

2019-03-17 18:04:13 UTC

prove me you drank that poisonous stuff

2019-03-17 18:04:29 UTC

when u sneeze on the anti vaxxer <:trolled:555217274907262976>

2019-03-17 18:04:40 UTC

in reality, drinking sarin would make you die

2019-03-17 18:04:41 UTC

My pee was blue today

2019-03-17 18:04:44 UTC

Do you want to see my blue pee

2019-03-17 18:04:55 UTC

no trolling

2019-03-17 18:04:56 UTC

give me a glass

2019-03-17 18:04:56 UTC

Or at least I think it was blue

2019-03-17 18:05:03 UTC

My color perception is a little off

2019-03-17 18:05:13 UTC

remember, this is a channel for debate, not a channel for trolling

2019-03-17 18:05:26 UTC

drinking bleach would kill you yet we use it to clean the stuff we eat off

2019-03-17 18:05:32 UTC

Debate about what

2019-03-17 18:05:34 UTC

Pee color?

2019-03-17 18:05:39 UTC

My money's on blue

2019-03-17 18:05:46 UTC

or drink out

2019-03-17 18:06:09 UTC

My friend said it was red but I dont believe hm

2019-03-17 18:06:13 UTC

every time you eat or drink you are putting your life on the line

2019-03-17 18:06:26 UTC

Good thing I got a Sarin and mercury addictoin

2019-03-17 18:06:33 UTC

this is about how you consume something else

2019-03-17 18:06:38 UTC

Consume what

2019-03-17 18:06:44 UTC

are we talking about anal

2019-03-17 18:06:48 UTC

bleach is something that is not ingested or injected

2019-03-17 18:06:49 UTC

cuz im down

2019-03-17 18:07:08 UTC

<:butthurt:507983822244151306> Im Trying To Sneak Around

2019-03-17 18:07:11 UTC

<:butthurt:507983822244151306> But Im Dummy Thick

2019-03-17 18:07:16 UTC

would you believe it's safe to inject bleach?

2019-03-17 18:07:19 UTC

Alright, @connie has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

2019-03-17 18:07:28 UTC

<:butthurt:507983822244151306> And The Clap Of My Butt Cheeks

2019-03-17 18:07:32 UTC

<:butthurt:507983822244151306> Keeps Alerting The Guards

2019-03-17 18:07:41 UTC

no yet it is not safe to inject oxygen

2019-03-17 18:08:07 UTC

yet you breath it to stay alive

2019-03-17 18:08:51 UTC

to remain relevant, injecting a suspension containing an aluminum salt that doesn't dissolve in water (therefor not in body fluid too (Al(OH)3 and AlPO3) causes an immune response

2019-03-17 18:09:10 UTC

while it is intended to happen for the presence of antibodies, the same will happen once it's in the brain

2019-03-17 18:09:52 UTC

this is how it gets into the brain: macrophages 'eat' aluminum salts, occuring in form of nanoparticles (proven with microscopy images)

2019-03-17 18:10:03 UTC

the macrophages then get into the lymph system and bloodstream

2019-03-17 18:10:13 UTC

i ate beer cubes today

2019-03-17 18:10:18 UTC

theyre like ice cubes but with beer

2019-03-17 18:10:27 UTC

should they release these nanoparticles, via lymph it gets to the brain

2019-03-17 18:10:35 UTC

and then causes another immune response right there

2019-03-17 18:10:40 UTC

omgm i should try beer with beer cubes in it

2019-03-17 18:10:52 UTC

that includes cytokines, which have been linked to NDD

2019-03-17 18:11:07 UTC

whats an ndd

2019-03-17 18:11:12 UTC

natural dick disorder

2019-03-17 18:11:15 UTC

neurodevelopmental disorder

2019-03-17 18:11:19 UTC

i was close

2019-03-17 18:17:02 UTC

Alright, @Lancelot has been warned for '**Duplicated text**'.

2019-03-17 18:19:44 UTC

nerd

2019-03-17 18:20:54 UTC

ill inject 15 vaccines into my arm at once

2019-03-17 18:20:55 UTC

you cant stop me

2019-03-17 18:21:58 UTC

yeah it doesn't really matter for you, thus showing your blind belief in vaccines, as if they are God-given

2019-03-17 18:22:24 UTC

God gave me hands to inject myself with

2019-03-17 18:24:10 UTC

CHeckmate

2019-03-17 18:25:20 UTC

I win

2019-03-17 18:26:01 UTC

I'll give an image that explains the mechanism

2019-03-17 18:26:36 UTC

which explains how Al is transported to your brain
pro-tip: MFs containing aluminum pass blood brain barrier

2019-03-17 18:26:44 UTC

get out with your nerd stuff

2019-03-17 18:26:47 UTC

the answer is easy

2019-03-17 18:26:55 UTC

injection

2019-03-17 18:28:38 UTC

call it whatever you want, but name-calling is the lowest level of argumentation, furthermore thinking whoever makes the latest statement wins is another way someone thinks they win

2019-03-17 18:29:12 UTC

weed

2019-03-17 18:30:11 UTC

so wait whats your argument again

2019-03-17 18:31:01 UTC

i want to be englightened

2019-03-17 18:31:47 UTC

Alright, @Lancelot has been warned for '**Duplicated text**'.

2019-03-17 18:32:29 UTC

just trying to show 4 titles, apparently similar titles cannot be added

2019-03-17 18:37:29 UTC

I can't read what do those mean

2019-03-17 18:40:26 UTC

simple argument: ```the aluminum salts injected in muscles that don't dissolve in water causes autism```
complex argument: ```Aluminum salts in vaccines either slowly or don't dissolve in water (which is also why it doesn't dissolve in blood), these salts are aluminum hydroxide and aluminum phosphate. Therefore they come in forms of nanoparticles (NPs) (1 nm to 100 nm size). After intramuscular injection of a substance containing these salts, macrophages capture these NPs. Which then travels through the lymph system. Then release the NPs which then travel to the brain. There is causes an immune response, leading to higher presence of IL-6, IL-17a and IL-1b. Higher levels of these cytokines and aluminum are found in children diagnosed with ASD```

2019-03-17 18:40:46 UTC

studies have already been cited

2019-03-17 18:42:42 UTC

So what

2019-03-17 18:43:30 UTC

furthermore, have you compared the US vaccines schedule from the CDC to the Japanese vaccine schedule and Dutch vaccine schedule?

2019-03-17 18:43:44 UTC

recommendations

2019-03-17 18:44:05 UTC

what's so bad about autism

2019-03-17 18:44:36 UTC

its not necessarily life threatening

2019-03-17 18:44:40 UTC

autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder

2019-03-17 18:45:02 UTC

even if side effects are 1 in 1 million, you don't want to be that 1 in 1 million

2019-03-17 18:45:23 UTC

just imagine you're that 1 in 1 million case

2019-03-17 18:45:34 UTC

then I'd live with autism?

2019-03-17 18:45:36 UTC

adding to that the doctor denying that it's a side effect

2019-03-17 18:45:49 UTC

not necessarily, don't forget other deadlier things

2019-03-17 18:46:41 UTC

sudden infant death syndrome, Guillian Barre syndrome (GBS), fainting (which I've got), etc

2019-03-17 18:47:00 UTC

or even worse, long term paralysis (there have been cases)

2019-03-17 18:47:49 UTC

or bubonic plague or measles

2019-03-17 18:47:56 UTC

wait nevermind that's the reverse

2019-03-17 18:48:16 UTC

yea I'd hate to faint

2019-03-17 18:48:18 UTC

you can survive measles

2019-03-17 18:48:43 UTC

difference is, if you've got an measles vaccine, that immunity is temporary (takes years to wane away)

2019-03-17 18:49:01 UTC

surviving measles will however give you a life long immunity to measles

2019-03-17 18:49:16 UTC

tips for survival: take high dose vitamin C and vitamin A

2019-03-17 18:49:33 UTC

Vitamin C that plague away

2019-03-17 18:49:50 UTC

Should I get some essential oils too

2019-03-17 18:50:23 UTC

depends on which you use

2019-03-17 18:50:35 UTC

bruh are you serious

2019-03-17 18:50:37 UTC

when it comes to high dose vitamin C, you talk about doses of 1 gram to even 50 gram

2019-03-17 18:50:39 UTC

yup

2019-03-17 18:50:54 UTC

50 gram vitamin C is equal to eating 1000 oranges

2019-03-17 18:51:36 UTC

in other words, you take that 50 gram easier when getting a vitamin C IV (IVC)

2019-03-17 18:52:26 UTC

yea but against the plague you're dead jim

2019-03-17 18:52:36 UTC

i want essential oils

2019-03-17 18:52:42 UTC

like lavender and stuff

2019-03-17 18:52:45 UTC

but thats so expensive

2019-03-17 18:52:50 UTC

Shut up girl

2019-03-17 18:53:00 UTC

This is man talk

2019-03-17 18:53:02 UTC

legit i donโ€™t have $70 to spend to sniff some flower smoke

2019-03-17 18:56:07 UTC

you can make essential oils yourself

2019-03-17 18:56:30 UTC

step 1: get the plant
step 2: make a steam distillation set
step 3: distillate the plant

2019-03-17 18:56:42 UTC

I've had less than that, just 15

2019-03-17 18:56:59 UTC

yet I've got the diagnosis, what matters is what is in it

2019-03-17 18:57:19 UTC

you can call it so

2019-03-17 18:57:28 UTC

but even the word science has been weaponized

2019-03-17 18:57:46 UTC

on aluminum toxicity, there are enough ways to attanuate aluminum toxicity

2019-03-17 18:58:05 UTC

yup

2019-03-17 18:58:15 UTC

still relevant, for aluminum adjuvant containing vaccines

2019-03-17 19:01:10 UTC

no matter how many one off cases you can pull about vaccines being dangerous you could never accurately or logically make a bold claim that this is true enough of all vaccines that you should resort to other non-prescribed remedies

2019-03-17 19:02:31 UTC

when you have something as mass produced and readily available as vaccines you are of course going to have such special cases. nothing is 100% perfect and odd side effects are prevelant in over the counter medicine and grocery store food and just about any day to day things you can think of

2019-03-17 19:02:50 UTC

its just simple statistics that one person is going to get the short end of the stick eventually

2019-03-17 19:03:05 UTC

this is by no means any reasonable justification to start such a sprawl at them as a whole

2019-03-17 19:07:43 UTC

gene-environment interactions happen all the time. Should this also happen to genes related to autism, than it's accurate to assume that autism is epigenetic

2019-03-17 19:09:36 UTC

there are other environmental factors to autism, not limited to the presences of EDCs (endocrine disrupting chemicals), toxic elements (including heavy metals, higher levels found in autistic children) and even air pollution

2019-03-17 19:11:45 UTC

if for not 100%, what would the non-genetic case be?

2019-03-17 19:13:21 UTC

note that child trauma also can be linked to autism if MTHFR is linked to both autism and child trauma

2019-03-17 19:13:43 UTC

on which, a psychological study is done regarding child abuse being linked to this gene

2019-03-17 19:16:38 UTC

even if there is genetic abnormality in structure, it takes more time to fix it with psychological interventions than with psychiatric interventions

2019-03-17 19:16:58 UTC

not to advocate for using antipsychotics or antidepressants, but drugs that promote neuroplasticity

2019-03-17 19:18:39 UTC

name for drugs specified against all NDDs: psychoplastogen (neuroplastogen)
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(18)30755-1

2019-03-17 19:19:03 UTC

not to advocate for using LSD to treat autism, dose should be kept under 700 mcg

2019-03-17 19:22:54 UTC

it's fair to replace aluminum adjuvant with AHCC, since that substance also has similar activity and even proven to make flu shots more effective

2019-03-17 19:23:18 UTC

another thing to think about, it's unknown what will happen when humans take too much vaccines (overvaccination)

2019-03-17 19:38:57 UTC

lets name some environmental factors:
immunotoxicology:
```Encephalitis after vaccination (you can see that on the side effects lists of inserts);
Defective placenta;
Immature blood-brain barrier;
Immune response of the mother to infection while pregnant;
Premature birth;
Encephalitis in the child after birth;
Toxic environment (presence of i.e. heavy metals, air pollutants (i.e. toluene), pesticide (i.e. DDT), water pollution (microplastics, EDCs), etc)
Abnormal gut;
Biotoxins (chronic infection from i.e. Lyme disease or some mold)```

2019-03-17 19:40:08 UTC

anyways, it's better to allow a debate to happen

2019-03-17 19:41:52 UTC

gene-environment interactions play an important role in the cases of autism

2019-03-17 19:43:04 UTC

when it comes to vaccine injury, it's an issue not to be neglected nor ignored. Rather it's an issue to investigate, treat and confront

2019-03-17 19:55:02 UTC

vaccines are good

2019-03-17 19:55:11 UTC

how can one say that they cause autism

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