there was even a woman with Zika virus, who'se got vitamin C IV for 3 days, day 1 25 gram, day 2 50 gram and day 3 75 gram. She eventually got cured from this disease

https://hsionline.com/2016/08/25/iv-vitamin-c-treatments-cure-zika-patient-in-three-days/

vitamin C is the ammo for your immune system if that's a machine gun

yeah that is a very high dosage tho

she's had no adverse symptoms from that vitamin C however

have you ever tried a vitamin C IV? if not, would you try one if you think you need one?

if it's all being used by ur body there won't be side effects but if it isn't there will be

i've never tried it but if i needed it i would

in Germany, this treatment is used by a doctor with high reputation known as Wieger Rekker, who practices in Gronau

he uses it as a cancer treatment, even Dutch patients have been going to him for treating cancer

that's an interesting idea actually, i think that using it in combination with something like chemo could be very effective especially in later stages of cancer and definitely something that would be interesting to learn more about in early stages as ik the immune system can fight cancer

well, that has been shown to decrease or eliminate adverse reactions from chemo

but I think patients who had chemo should later get pro-neurogenerative substances

or in a nutshell, nootropics

that's really interesting. personally i think a little more research should be done but it does seem effective

yup

adding reason to that to understand a bigger picture too

psychedelic substances like DMT, LSD and psilocybin have increase complexity of neurons, which has been observed under a microscope
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211124718307551
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(18)30755-1

yeah that's rather interesting, ik psychedelics can cause really bad trips tho so it does make sense to be wary of using them

should be, but it will also make sense to make first a hallucination test (can be done with just some fruit) and deciding the hallucination dose by using toxicological principles (begin from highest dose psychedelic to lowering it until the dose for hallucination (lowest needed for hallucination) is found)

yeah

microdosing on psychedelics is safe

as using 100 micrograms of LSD has not been causing hallucination

yeah idk a whole lot about psychedelics but it is rather interesting

i think for the most part governments are way too harsh on drugs

cannabis becoming legalised more and more is a good step but idk if it's enough

that's something to agree on, since governments need to stop prohibiting psychedelics

yeah

same even for the Netherlands as a nationalist party says they need to even do research to how far "hard" drugs can be legally used

having dealers making them instead of actual professionals is so bad. it's safer to legalise stuff than have random people making them

if u can buy safe doses from a local pharmacy that's good imo

on hallucination though, administration of a dose causing hallucination should always require supervision from i.e. a nurse, doctor or any other authority

yeah, where stuff like that is legal "trip sitters" are a big thing

they'll just sit with u while ur tripping and if it's a bad trip they'll reassure u that it ends etc.

on that, I think that just regular training on working with hallucination is enough to decrease

yeah

maybe adding to that attanuating hypnosis

big pharma big gay lmao

i completely agree with this statement ^

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big pharma is most likely the new big tabacco

as they weaponize doubt

yeah

Big Tabacco also used doubt as a weapon, had non-smokers ridiculed and even called it safe and medically beneficial

as sigarettes were sometimes prescribed

i smoke penis

what?

smoke TNT @Pepperoni

oh no dont steal my diamonds MonkaS

honestly i think that black people made the vaccines

black people are more vurnable to heavy metals

as they produce more brain fat as infants

lmao so true

i hate n_igger_s_

ture aswell

years ago, they said that there is a safe level of lead

today, they say there is no safe level of lead

now they also say there is a safe level of mercury

truth is, there is no safe level for mercury. It will be emitted

no they got rid of that

🇳 🇮 🇬 🇬 🇪 🇷

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489894619031797772/556597104475111433/e7nrwjfnjvl21.png

who wanna play fortnite and vaccinate some kids with me?

I would vaccinate the kids for Gender Dysphoria

that doesn't even require a shot

just some hypnosis

people who spend their lives looking into these stuff are stupid

only vaccinated kids remember 9th birthdays

@Dr Langers no trolling

anyone wanna argue over vaccines

yeah sure

what side are you on @FieryNoob#6324

most fallacies I see regarding this subject begin with black-white thinking

other fallacies from proponents I find are strawman, ad hominem, guilt by association, burden of proof and appeal to authority

even mentioning scientists, legitimate or not is an appeal to authority

on the topic of what was just posted in <#551617059013001236> : they're not vaccinated against parotitis. someone just read "mumps" and went vaccines are fakes so if you actually read the article maybe you would realise that or if you had any medical knowledge you would know that similar symptoms may lead to misdiagnosis but doesn't mean that it's the same as mumps.

well, some say that it's more of a renaming, at the same time it could be a different disease or the mumps could have evolved

yeah it may be an evolution/mutation but both of those will make changes to the antigen so the vaccine will kick in as the body may find that there are similar toxins due to it having similar symptoms but then your body will realise wait these antibodies aren't working we need to try smth else (in the simplest way i can put it)

evolution of influenza is so fast

it could render flu shots useless, sometimes 50% effective

getting the flu is preferable, adding vitamin D for decreasing severity does good

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damnit

anti vax memes has outlived actual anti vaxxed kids

vaccines called me gay and ate my bootyhole

it doesn't matter how much you ridicule anyone critical towards vaccines

would you rather? Get the flu or get a flu shot containing organic mercury and aborted fetal tissue each year?

flu shot

does it matter what is in the vaccine?

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What

Listen if vaccines have mercury thats a bonus cuz im addicted to that stuff

I cant see the color purple anymore but its worth it for the sweet sweet mercury

listen i dont care if the vaccine has a virus in it

i’m TRYING to die

death is my goal here

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/436573821948919848/544984990665146378/jig.gif

you're making strawman fallacies in the first place

Oh I smoke some straws too

Thanks for reminding me

wait every one went here

if you don't care about what is in a vaccine, you would also trust a vaccine that is spiked with Sarin

Dude I love Sarin

then drink it

I just had a glass today

i get high off 10 pounds of crack mercury

I'll run to the store and get some more

prove me

prove me you drank that poisonous stuff

when u sneeze on the anti vaxxer <:trolled:555217274907262976>

in reality, drinking sarin would make you die

My pee was blue today

Do you want to see my blue pee

no trolling

give me a glass

Or at least I think it was blue

My color perception is a little off

remember, this is a channel for debate, not a channel for trolling

drinking bleach would kill you yet we use it to clean the stuff we eat off

Debate about what

Pee color?

My money's on blue

or drink out

My friend said it was red but I dont believe hm

every time you eat or drink you are putting your life on the line

Good thing I got a Sarin and mercury addictoin

this is about how you consume something else

Consume what

are we talking about anal

bleach is something that is not ingested or injected

cuz im down

<:butthurt:507983822244151306> Im Trying To Sneak Around

<:butthurt:507983822244151306> But Im Dummy Thick

would you believe it's safe to inject bleach?

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<:butthurt:507983822244151306> And The Clap Of My Butt Cheeks

<:butthurt:507983822244151306> Keeps Alerting The Guards

no yet it is not safe to inject oxygen

yet you breath it to stay alive

to remain relevant, injecting a suspension containing an aluminum salt that doesn't dissolve in water (therefor not in body fluid too (Al(OH)3 and AlPO3) causes an immune response

while it is intended to happen for the presence of antibodies, the same will happen once it's in the brain

this is how it gets into the brain: macrophages 'eat' aluminum salts, occuring in form of nanoparticles (proven with microscopy images)

the macrophages then get into the lymph system and bloodstream

i ate beer cubes today

theyre like ice cubes but with beer

should they release these nanoparticles, via lymph it gets to the brain

and then causes another immune response right there

omgm i should try beer with beer cubes in it

that includes cytokines, which have been linked to NDD

whats an ndd

natural dick disorder

neurodevelopmental disorder

i was close

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This is why you should take turmeric for that toxicity:
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nerd

ill inject 15 vaccines into my arm at once

you cant stop me

yeah it doesn't really matter for you, thus showing your blind belief in vaccines, as if they are God-given

God gave me hands to inject myself with

CHeckmate

I win

I'll give an image that explains the mechanism

http://vaccinepapers.org/wp-content/uploads/Al-transport-3.jpg

which explains how Al is transported to your brain
pro-tip: MFs containing aluminum pass blood brain barrier

get out with your nerd stuff

the answer is easy

injection

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7d337dd146af098254d17ebc9d9bf3fd26a06c54228d27f066cad060896103a.jpg

call it whatever you want, but name-calling is the lowest level of argumentation, furthermore thinking whoever makes the latest statement wins is another way someone thinks they win

weed

so wait whats your argument again

i want to be englightened

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18848474

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4548834/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3410815/

just trying to show 4 titles, apparently similar titles cannot be added

I can't read what do those mean

simple argument: ```the aluminum salts injected in muscles that don't dissolve in water causes autism```
complex argument: ```Aluminum salts in vaccines either slowly or don't dissolve in water (which is also why it doesn't dissolve in blood), these salts are aluminum hydroxide and aluminum phosphate. Therefore they come in forms of nanoparticles (NPs) (1 nm to 100 nm size). After intramuscular injection of a substance containing these salts, macrophages capture these NPs. Which then travels through the lymph system. Then release the NPs which then travel to the brain. There is causes an immune response, leading to higher presence of IL-6, IL-17a and IL-1b. Higher levels of these cytokines and aluminum are found in children diagnosed with ASD```

studies have already been cited

So what

furthermore, have you compared the US vaccines schedule from the CDC to the Japanese vaccine schedule and Dutch vaccine schedule?

recommendations

what's so bad about autism

its not necessarily life threatening

autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder

even if side effects are 1 in 1 million, you don't want to be that 1 in 1 million

just imagine you're that 1 in 1 million case

then I'd live with autism?

adding to that the doctor denying that it's a side effect

not necessarily, don't forget other deadlier things

sudden infant death syndrome, Guillian Barre syndrome (GBS), fainting (which I've got), etc

or even worse, long term paralysis (there have been cases)

or bubonic plague or measles

wait nevermind that's the reverse

yea I'd hate to faint

you can survive measles

difference is, if you've got an measles vaccine, that immunity is temporary (takes years to wane away)

surviving measles will however give you a life long immunity to measles

tips for survival: take high dose vitamin C and vitamin A

Vitamin C that plague away

Should I get some essential oils too

depends on which you use

bruh are you serious

when it comes to high dose vitamin C, you talk about doses of 1 gram to even 50 gram

yup

50 gram vitamin C is equal to eating 1000 oranges

in other words, you take that 50 gram easier when getting a vitamin C IV (IVC)

yea but against the plague you're dead jim

i want essential oils

like lavender and stuff

but thats so expensive

Shut up girl

This is man talk

legit i don’t have $70 to spend to sniff some flower smoke

you can make essential oils yourself

step 1: get the plant
step 2: make a steam distillation set
step 3: distillate the plant

I've had less than that, just 15

yet I've got the diagnosis, what matters is what is in it

you can call it so

but even the word science has been weaponized

on aluminum toxicity, there are enough ways to attanuate aluminum toxicity

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5442355_Avoidance_of_Aluminum_Toxicity_in_Freshwater_Snails_Involves_Intracellular_Silicon-Aluminum_Biointeraction

yup

still relevant, for aluminum adjuvant containing vaccines

no matter how many one off cases you can pull about vaccines being dangerous you could never accurately or logically make a bold claim that this is true enough of all vaccines that you should resort to other non-prescribed remedies

when you have something as mass produced and readily available as vaccines you are of course going to have such special cases. nothing is 100% perfect and odd side effects are prevelant in over the counter medicine and grocery store food and just about any day to day things you can think of

its just simple statistics that one person is going to get the short end of the stick eventually

this is by no means any reasonable justification to start such a sprawl at them as a whole

orthosilicic acid, selenium, vitamin E, Omega 3, quercetin, taurine and curcumin
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16545059
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12031-014-0232-8
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/50865854_The_disruption_of_L-carnitine_metabolism_by_aluminum_toxicity_and_oxidative_stress_promotes_dyslipidemia_in_human_astrocytic_and_hepatic_cells
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237084922_The_influence_of_taurine_pretreatment_on_aluminum_chloride_induced_nephrotoxicity_in_Swiss_albino_mice
http://www.biomedsearch.com/nih/Selective-induction-IL-6-by/23219369.html
Genetic cause is overexagerrated in twin studies. Note the flaws in the studies, add to that gene studies didn't select Gene X environment interactions
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4422871/

gene-environment interactions happen all the time. Should this also happen to genes related to autism, than it's accurate to assume that autism is epigenetic

there are other environmental factors to autism, not limited to the presences of EDCs (endocrine disrupting chemicals), toxic elements (including heavy metals, higher levels found in autistic children) and even air pollution

if for not 100%, what would the non-genetic case be?

note that child trauma also can be linked to autism if MTHFR is linked to both autism and child trauma

on which, a psychological study is done regarding child abuse being linked to this gene

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/aur.1799

even if there is genetic abnormality in structure, it takes more time to fix it with psychological interventions than with psychiatric interventions

not to advocate for using antipsychotics or antidepressants, but drugs that promote neuroplasticity

name for drugs specified against all NDDs: psychoplastogen (neuroplastogen)
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(18)30755-1

not to advocate for using LSD to treat autism, dose should be kept under 700 mcg

it's fair to replace aluminum adjuvant with AHCC, since that substance also has similar activity and even proven to make flu shots more effective

another thing to think about, it's unknown what will happen when humans take too much vaccines (overvaccination)

lets name some environmental factors:
immunotoxicology:
```Encephalitis after vaccination (you can see that on the side effects lists of inserts);
Defective placenta;
Immature blood-brain barrier;
Immune response of the mother to infection while pregnant;
Premature birth;
Encephalitis in the child after birth;
Toxic environment (presence of i.e. heavy metals, air pollutants (i.e. toluene), pesticide (i.e. DDT), water pollution (microplastics, EDCs), etc)
Abnormal gut;
Biotoxins (chronic infection from i.e. Lyme disease or some mold)```

anyways, it's better to allow a debate to happen

gene-environment interactions play an important role in the cases of autism

when it comes to vaccine injury, it's an issue not to be neglected nor ignored. Rather it's an issue to investigate, treat and confront

vaccines are good

how can one say that they cause autism