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2019-03-16 20:16:57 UTC

i don't take the flu shot either

2019-03-16 20:18:44 UTC

ngl you should def take vaccine if you dont want to be fucked

2019-03-16 20:18:59 UTC

my parents where anti vax and i ended up getting blood tetanus

2019-03-16 20:19:02 UTC

bloody

2019-03-16 20:19:20 UTC

to that, I would say that some vaccines are necessary

2019-03-16 20:19:22 UTC

so unless your wanna experince worse pain in your life for months on end

2019-03-16 20:19:27 UTC

DTP is necessary

2019-03-16 20:19:30 UTC

you are fat

2019-03-16 20:19:35 UTC

vacies cAUSED ME TO HAVE Autism

2019-03-16 20:19:37 UTC

va will not halp you

2019-03-16 20:19:44 UTC

^ sry bad english

2019-03-16 20:19:46 UTC

nice strawman @Stone Roses

2019-03-16 20:19:53 UTC

Alright, @Mediterranean Salad has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

2019-03-16 20:19:54 UTC

y thnk u

2019-03-16 20:20:28 UTC

pls

2019-03-16 20:21:13 UTC

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-03/jai-heb032114.php
AHCC has shown promise in fighting/eradicating HPV (take 3 grams once a day)
Phase II clinical study to be published in december this year

2019-03-16 20:21:28 UTC

๐Ÿ™

2019-03-16 20:21:31 UTC

yeah i've taken all the vaccines that i need to. i just don't take flu shots

2019-03-16 20:21:46 UTC

that seems pretty interesting lance

2019-03-16 20:21:59 UTC

epic

2019-03-16 20:22:30 UTC

@Lancelot i habe kwestion

2019-03-16 20:22:44 UTC

if it would be scientifically proven to be effective, it would render HPV vaccines obsolete

2019-03-16 20:22:45 UTC

Alright, @Mediterranean Salad has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

2019-03-16 20:23:01 UTC

ask me anything Ajay

2019-03-16 20:23:17 UTC

what is inside vax?

2019-03-16 20:25:47 UTC

i think the problem comes more to the point of having to take it each day

2019-03-16 20:26:02 UTC

which makes the vaccine slightly easier and more likely cheaper

2019-03-16 20:27:31 UTC

also the main reason is to reduce cervical cancer right? so having people take supplements while is a good thing the issue of personally choice that give the opportunity for it to continue to be an issue instead of eradicating it due to people not trusting it. in my country it is very difficult to withdraw ur child from the hpv vaccine

2019-03-16 20:28:49 UTC

also it's nice to see there's someone who actually has a good understanding and isn't just vaccine bad vaccine causes autism and then just pulls out some study that was done in the interest of proving that it causes autism and hasn't been peer reviewed

2019-03-16 20:32:16 UTC

when it comes to what is inside it, there are other compounds that are highly suspected, not all vaccines contain them, but some do depending on what the insert says or lab results show (you can do by sampling a vaccine and taking it to the lab)

2019-03-16 20:37:19 UTC

examples are thimerosal, an organic compound of mercury and polysorbate 80, which has been associated with ovary problems (including infertility) and there are some humans allergic to it (or have adverse response).
Although the scientific community claims thimerosal has been removed from all vaccines, you can refute this claim by just looking at the inserts. Example 1: tetanus shot from Bilthoven biologicals still contains thimerosal and has therefore a warning to not administer it to pregnant women
Example 2: Flulaval (flu vaccine made by GSK) says on label it contains thimerosal, confirmed via ICP-MS
to such an extend, if there would be a vaccine competitor using no suspicious compounds, that company is likely to win the competition in the current situation

2019-03-16 20:38:18 UTC

Here's a study about adverse reactions to polysorbate 80: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/polysorbate-80
a solution would be a pre-screening to test for allergy for that compound, if positive, polysorbate 80 containing vaccines shouldn't be administered

2019-03-16 20:40:34 UTC

for HPV, pap smears are far more effective, it actually should be done for women 25 years and older

2019-03-16 20:40:42 UTC

or if they suspect it

2019-03-16 20:41:17 UTC

yeah it's very effective but the lead cause of cervical cancer is getting HPV iirc

2019-03-16 20:41:38 UTC

indeed

2019-03-16 20:42:01 UTC

but yeah pap smears are very important as well, i'd be an idiot to deny that

2019-03-16 20:45:06 UTC

to some extend, there's some debate about measles, it could cause complications and death, but hygiene and good nutrition (vitamin A and C) make it less severe. Reasons are that measles makes you more vurnable to other pathogens that make it harder for the immune system to fight. Good hygiene would make you less vurnable to other pathogens. The pro however is that if you survive measles (happens in majority), you'll get immune from it for the rest of your life

2019-03-16 20:45:17 UTC

to test for immunity, ask for a blood titer

2019-03-16 20:46:27 UTC

did you know that some measles cases were actually misdiagnosed as such and actually cases of the reaction to the MMR vaccine?

2019-03-16 20:46:53 UTC

good hygiene is improving but i would argue good nutrition is not going the same way

2019-03-16 20:47:36 UTC

yeah a couple people in my year got measles like symptoms after the MMR vaccine

2019-03-16 20:47:37 UTC

there's been proof that vitamin A deficiency is a major cause of higher mortality in measles cases

2019-03-16 20:47:49 UTC

yeah i don't doubt that

2019-03-16 20:48:25 UTC

it would be reasonable to give a patient with this both vitamin A supplements as well as high dose vitamin C (including IV)

2019-03-16 20:49:20 UTC

yeah definitely although generally when u start eating really healthy after u get ill it's not usually effective

2019-03-16 20:50:09 UTC

with vitamin C iv however, you have 100% absorption rate, 50 grams of it is used regularly which is equal to 1000 oranges

2019-03-16 20:51:03 UTC

yeah true

2019-03-16 20:52:49 UTC

there was even a woman with Zika virus, who'se got vitamin C IV for 3 days, day 1 25 gram, day 2 50 gram and day 3 75 gram. She eventually got cured from this disease

2019-03-16 20:53:27 UTC

vitamin C is the ammo for your immune system if that's a machine gun

2019-03-16 21:01:38 UTC

yeah that is a very high dosage tho

2019-03-16 21:03:01 UTC

she's had no adverse symptoms from that vitamin C however

2019-03-16 21:03:35 UTC

have you ever tried a vitamin C IV? if not, would you try one if you think you need one?

2019-03-16 21:04:17 UTC

if it's all being used by ur body there won't be side effects but if it isn't there will be

2019-03-16 21:04:35 UTC

i've never tried it but if i needed it i would

2019-03-16 21:05:26 UTC

in Germany, this treatment is used by a doctor with high reputation known as Wieger Rekker, who practices in Gronau

2019-03-16 21:05:49 UTC

he uses it as a cancer treatment, even Dutch patients have been going to him for treating cancer

2019-03-16 21:08:49 UTC

that's an interesting idea actually, i think that using it in combination with something like chemo could be very effective especially in later stages of cancer and definitely something that would be interesting to learn more about in early stages as ik the immune system can fight cancer

2019-03-16 21:09:17 UTC

well, that has been shown to decrease or eliminate adverse reactions from chemo

2019-03-16 21:09:34 UTC

but I think patients who had chemo should later get pro-neurogenerative substances

2019-03-16 21:09:58 UTC

or in a nutshell, nootropics

2019-03-16 21:12:08 UTC

that's really interesting. personally i think a little more research should be done but it does seem effective

2019-03-16 21:13:45 UTC

yup

2019-03-16 21:13:55 UTC

adding reason to that to understand a bigger picture too

2019-03-16 21:15:03 UTC

psychedelic substances like DMT, LSD and psilocybin have increase complexity of neurons, which has been observed under a microscope
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211124718307551
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(18)30755-1

2019-03-16 21:16:39 UTC

yeah that's rather interesting, ik psychedelics can cause really bad trips tho so it does make sense to be wary of using them

2019-03-16 21:18:54 UTC

should be, but it will also make sense to make first a hallucination test (can be done with just some fruit) and deciding the hallucination dose by using toxicological principles (begin from highest dose psychedelic to lowering it until the dose for hallucination (lowest needed for hallucination) is found)

2019-03-16 21:19:07 UTC

yeah

2019-03-16 21:19:20 UTC

microdosing on psychedelics is safe

2019-03-16 21:19:39 UTC

as using 100 micrograms of LSD has not been causing hallucination

2019-03-16 21:23:22 UTC

yeah idk a whole lot about psychedelics but it is rather interesting

2019-03-16 21:23:36 UTC

i think for the most part governments are way too harsh on drugs

2019-03-16 21:24:07 UTC

cannabis becoming legalised more and more is a good step but idk if it's enough

2019-03-16 21:24:25 UTC

that's something to agree on, since governments need to stop prohibiting psychedelics

2019-03-16 21:24:35 UTC

yeah

2019-03-16 21:24:59 UTC

same even for the Netherlands as a nationalist party says they need to even do research to how far "hard" drugs can be legally used

2019-03-16 21:25:03 UTC

having dealers making them instead of actual professionals is so bad. it's safer to legalise stuff than have random people making them

2019-03-16 21:25:20 UTC

if u can buy safe doses from a local pharmacy that's good imo

2019-03-16 21:25:49 UTC

on hallucination though, administration of a dose causing hallucination should always require supervision from i.e. a nurse, doctor or any other authority

2019-03-16 21:26:25 UTC

yeah, where stuff like that is legal "trip sitters" are a big thing

2019-03-16 21:26:43 UTC

they'll just sit with u while ur tripping and if it's a bad trip they'll reassure u that it ends etc.

2019-03-16 21:27:27 UTC

on that, I think that just regular training on working with hallucination is enough to decrease

2019-03-16 21:27:40 UTC

yeah

2019-03-16 21:27:45 UTC

maybe adding to that attanuating hypnosis

2019-03-16 22:21:35 UTC

big pharma big gay lmao

2019-03-16 22:21:48 UTC

i completely agree with this statement ^

2019-03-16 22:21:57 UTC

Alright, @Syrupgod05 has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

2019-03-16 22:22:09 UTC

Alright, @Pepperoni has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

2019-03-16 22:23:23 UTC

big pharma is most likely the new big tabacco

2019-03-16 22:23:32 UTC

as they weaponize doubt

2019-03-16 22:23:35 UTC

yeah

2019-03-16 22:24:16 UTC

Big Tabacco also used doubt as a weapon, had non-smokers ridiculed and even called it safe and medically beneficial

2019-03-16 22:24:25 UTC

as sigarettes were sometimes prescribed

2019-03-16 22:24:27 UTC

i smoke penis

2019-03-16 22:24:39 UTC

what?

2019-03-16 22:24:48 UTC

smoke TNT @Pepperoni

2019-03-16 22:25:09 UTC

oh no dont steal my diamonds MonkaS

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