@tha cheeseburger so ur atheist just cuz

Yeah

Whatever u get it

No I'm an atheist cus religion does not work

Yeah

But u can still generally believe in it

Generally believe in god

Just by the simple fact that there are 1000s of religion is more than enough to show that Ur going to pick the wrong one

So just don't pick any

And then ur right?

also there's like only 5 or less major religions

Well no that's not why I'm right just a simple statement to show that Ur religion is probably wrong

What if I don't have one

I think Odin is the one true God

/s

Really?

Pfttt

No

That's what I thought

Flying spaghetti monster all the way

Guys cmon

It's a joke to point out the flaws in saying "my religion is the only correct one"

Stop joking

Basically, there might be only one god

But that god might not be the Abrahamic one

Yeah

It could be the flying spaghetti monster

Yes it could

It could be a big pink furry elephant

Although I think that's just how God would display himself

Or itself

It could be the homeless man a few blocks down from Ur house

Given that we are talking about a all powerful god

Yes that's true

U don't know

No I dont

I just know there's a god

There is also no evidence for that

Ok

U don't remember what I said

What did you say

Let me just state it

The universe has a origin

Well

Only God could make a univere

Universe

No

That's my argument

It's not a very good one

Which part are u arguing with?

"Only God could make a universe"

I'm guessing

Yea

Ok what else can?

I can

U can make a universe?

Yea

😱

Wait

I can write a story

Can u make a universe using nothing?

A pencil

Paper

That's something

It's a universe

Who said the universe came from nothing?

It came from god

Non sequitur

If there was something else

That's a leap in logic

Yea

It is

Then it was a universe

What was

The universe could have been here for ever

And it has

Ok

So then ur arguing with the first part

I can do both

What's ur argument against the second part?

Nothing made the universe

Because it has no origin?

Yes

So it's first part

Both are related

Yes they are

But it's first part can we agree on that

Sure because time cannot exist without space

What

There is no time before space

Also I said only God could create a universe

Which u don't disagree with

So if there's no time nothing can happen so space must have around forever

Oh I see

For something to happen

Crap

But if God is outside of time then can he not do anything?

If he's omnipotent then he can

Question being, what created God?

If at least 5d

@gohan really

No, seriously, answer the question

What created God?

Nothing

A proto-God?

U need to be 5d to move without space

God just is

Then why could the universe have not come from nothing?

Why cannot the universe just "be"?

It can

But because of time

If God does not require a creator, neither does the universe

It's kinda illogical

Although obviously u can day the universe is god

Say

Btw if god is omnipotent then he his not bound by logic

U just defeated urself

Now I can claim whatever

No

Yes

If he's not bound by logic

Then he can create himself

No

No?

No

There's no logic to stop him

There cant be more than one omnipotent being

?????

There isnt

He can't create another

How do you know?

Ok

I debate Vs battles a lot

I'll just stop for a sec

Omnipotent is a big thing there

There is no evidence for god but u can make a undebunkable claim about it

Which probably means it's not true

Just cuz it can't be disproven means it's not true?

I said probably

Well then u can't know

I tried to make my best evidence for god

Obviously I didn't do that great

U can debunk the argument about the existence of a omnipotent being but u can debunk any god

So your entire argument for God's existence is "I know he must exist"

No

I can debunk the Christian god

Yes

U repeating gohans argument

I can do that to most specific god's

K do it to a god that's not Allah Christian or Isreal

Idk what last one is called

K name one

Wait

Also the Christian one is called 'Yahweh"

Debunk Osiris

Need to research it

There is no document history that he was a Pharaoh

I wanna see this

And there is the names of every Pharaoh from the first "narmer" to the last "Cleopatra VII Philopator"

Well the last that held power

Is that enough

?

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What is being debated

Anyone want to debate me

I will

On what

Ill debate about the earth being a globe.

For or against

Im for globe

Same

Welp

Lol

Anyone against

@jlegend what do u want to debate on

Idk

Shoot some ideas

Any conspiracies u believe in

I can't think of any

Hby

Religion

I am atheist

K

Hby

I'm also an atheist

Not really anything to debate on

How abt capital punishment

What are ur thoughts

What punishments

Death punishments

Hmm

The states

Should the death penalty or no ?

Yes I get the question

I don't live in America so I don't know much on that, but my view on it is a bit long

Ok

What is it

I believe that the whole prison system needs to be changed

Changed how

They should get treated well get proper education and be able to get a job when they go out, less guards would be needed,

Because with help most people don't come back

While that may somewhat be correct

I disagree

Y

Many of those arrested for serious crimes like murder or rape have psychological problems and are more likely to do the same crime again

If they are contained they would not be able to do those crimes

Or if they are killed via the death penalty

Yes I see that point most people who are in prison don't come back after they have had proper help and support, only a few would come back

I think an immediate question that needs to be raised is on the evidence that capital punishment reduces crime rates by deterrence. If so, it might be worth instituting it as part of the criminal justice system.

I agree

Is there a negative correlation between executions and murders? In other words, do executions lower the murder rates?

Criminals should still have rights and most of the time it's just that they made mistake or got mixed in the wrong people

For evidence see Norway's prison system

And, there is the problem of executing an innocent person. Hopefully with todays technology and system, the odds are near zero

Norway has very low crime rate, very few prisoners and is one of the safest countries

If you imprison an innocent person, and figure it out. You can reimburse them.

@tha cheeseburger What is their secret to low crime?

U.S. struggles with it much more

Few commit crimes after leaving

Rehabilitation?

Yes

They give out education as well

I think mandatory rehab would be a much better alternative than minimum sentencing for the drug war.

Their biggest prison is just a few wooden houses on a island and a few guards

No one has broken out it works really well, u don't have a reason to leave

They can just have casual conversations with the guards, they have no guns on them I think

Places like Guantanamo bay used to torture prisoners, U.S. based.

Every prison system should be like Norway's

IMO

The CIA used to waterboarding to simulate drowning to force suspected terrorists to give out information.

Yes and how else could they have gotten info

They actually did studies on torture

And found out it isn't very effective

The prisoners often gave out false information

It's not but if u made good relationships with prisoners they would be more likely to give info

Indeed

The prison system in the UK where I live is just shit

The U.S. has more prisoners than any other country I think

U can get a few years by just having a knife outside

Yea it's the country of the free and it's has the most people in prison

🤔

America sounds like a shit place rn, u don't even have free health care

Whats going on here

Anyone want to debate on something else

Debating capital punishments

Sure what?

What religion u have

I'm a Mormon

i don't believe in religion

I'm against religion