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2019-04-06 20:32:08 UTC

Busy day

2019-04-06 20:32:15 UTC

You think this is made up?

2019-04-06 20:32:19 UTC

But yeah until I see scientific method experimental evidence of your "g" I'm going to discount it

2019-04-06 20:32:33 UTC

You do realise that this equation is verified, right?

2019-04-06 20:32:41 UTC

So verify g for me please

2019-04-06 20:32:55 UTC

g is just downwards acceleration.

2019-04-06 20:33:11 UTC

You can measure that by dropping stuff from a set height.

2019-04-06 20:33:25 UTC

GRAVITY DROP SOMETHING FLIES UP: https://imgur.com/a/0gpjvOK

2019-04-06 20:33:38 UTC

so g = about + 2 m/s^2 yes?

2019-04-06 20:33:56 UTC

That's accelerating upwards isn't it?

2019-04-06 20:34:00 UTC

Yeah thought so

2019-04-06 20:34:25 UTC

That's disregarding air resistance, buoyancy, etc.

2019-04-06 20:34:46 UTC

Sorry I want cause and effect scientific method experimental evidence, I don't want your beliefs

2019-04-06 20:34:52 UTC

I am looking at acceleration here

2019-04-06 20:35:07 UTC

I can show you very clear evidence changing densities changes acceleration

2019-04-06 20:35:17 UTC

It's just a belief that stuff accelerates at 9.8 in a vacuum?

2019-04-06 20:35:30 UTC

And yes, nobody denies that buoyancy exists.

2019-04-06 20:35:47 UTC

Same as sitting on a chair can bring your acceleration to 0.

2019-04-06 20:36:03 UTC

That brings us to Sheeple's 2nd law of accelerationism

2019-04-06 20:36:08 UTC

2. CHANGING THE DENSITY OF THE MEDIUM: https://imgur.com/i0Cww6Y

2019-04-06 20:36:12 UTC

```in a vacuum```

2019-04-06 20:36:20 UTC

that's changing the density of the medium

2019-04-06 20:36:33 UTC

Watch closely

2019-04-06 20:36:39 UTC

they do not accelerate at the same rate

2019-04-06 20:37:14 UTC

Ah yes, I've seen this before.

2019-04-06 20:37:15 UTC

However I would argue the bowling ball and the feather have more similar body density to medium density ratios

2019-04-06 20:37:21 UTC

in a vacuum

2019-04-06 20:37:29 UTC

There's this thing called elastic energy.

2019-04-06 20:37:39 UTC

Nobody's ever observed a perfect vacuum, only ever degrees of parital pressure

2019-04-06 20:38:02 UTC

Nevertheless archimedes principle is not in violation

2019-04-06 20:38:11 UTC

You are dropping two very dense objects in a very not dense medium

2019-04-06 20:38:34 UTC

likewise if you drop a not very dense object in a dense medium such as the aluminium sheet in the container of sulfur hexafluoride, it floats

2019-04-06 20:39:07 UTC

so before I address the feather, tell me, what provides the downwards force to being with?

2019-04-06 20:40:10 UTC

force = mass times acceleration, can we deal with the acceleration please?

2019-04-06 20:40:21 UTC

Yes.

2019-04-06 20:41:10 UTC

sure so you agree that by changing either the density of the body or changing the density of the medium can cause a change in acceleration even direction of accelration yes?

2019-04-06 20:41:40 UTC

Yes, a change in net force will change net acceleration.

2019-04-06 20:41:50 UTC

cause = changing the density of something by attaching helium/hydrogen/deuterium/tritium/helium-3 balloons to ones self.

2019-04-06 20:42:04 UTC

effect = changing in direction of acceleration

2019-04-06 20:42:06 UTC

No

2019-04-06 20:42:19 UTC

well force is a byproduct of acceleration, so I want to talk just about the acceleration please.

2019-04-06 20:42:39 UTC

Cause: providing upwards force to overcome downwards.

2019-04-06 20:42:54 UTC

But yes, lets continue

2019-04-06 20:42:57 UTC

Yeah I'm not interested in forced thank you, I'm talking about sheeple's laws of accelerationism

2019-04-06 20:43:07 UTC

Lol grabbity forgets to grab helium but somehow makes the atmosphere stick like velcro and prevents it from rushing into a empty space

2019-04-06 20:43:21 UTC

acceleration is a fundamental component of force

2019-04-06 20:43:30 UTC

force is not the cause of acceleration

2019-04-06 20:43:34 UTC

@Hamburger Guy ๐Ÿ˜‚

2019-04-06 20:43:41 UTC

Try helium in a vacuum.

2019-04-06 20:43:47 UTC

force is a byproduct of mass and acceleration

2019-04-06 20:43:51 UTC

Density then

2019-04-06 20:44:28 UTC

Actually, force IS the cause of acceleration.

2019-04-06 20:44:38 UTC

9. WAVE PROPULSION: https://imgur.com/BOi8zNF

2019-04-06 20:44:41 UTC

No it's really not

2019-04-06 20:44:47 UTC

EM waves have ZERO mass

2019-04-06 20:44:51 UTC

force is mass times acceleration

2019-04-06 20:44:56 UTC

no mass yet acceleration occurs

2019-04-06 20:45:03 UTC

So @Ivan Pavlovich I'm sorry you're wrong

2019-04-06 20:45:16 UTC

What acceleration?

2019-04-06 20:45:40 UTC

Do you see the object moving as a result of being shot at with a laser?

2019-04-06 20:45:49 UTC

lasers emit light or infra red waves

2019-04-06 20:46:08 UTC

Yeah, waves have energy and they can transfer that.

2019-04-06 20:46:20 UTC

so it's not a force then is it

2019-04-06 20:46:37 UTC

It is.

2019-04-06 20:46:50 UTC

force is mass times acceleration, what's anything times zero @Ivan Pavlovich ?

2019-04-06 20:47:02 UTC

zero

2019-04-06 20:47:08 UTC

zero force yet an acceleration occurs

2019-04-06 20:47:17 UTC

The LIGHT has 0 mass, not the object being pushed.

2019-04-06 20:47:22 UTC

force is a byproduct of accelertiaon, accelration is not a by product of force

2019-04-06 20:47:39 UTC

so can you please shut up about forces now you've been proven WRONG

2019-04-06 20:47:40 UTC

?

2019-04-06 20:47:47 UTC

F = ma
Therefore a = F/m
m = F/a
You could also say that a stationary cube has no acceleration, and their mass cannot be calculated as you cannot divide by 0 so it cannot exist

2019-04-06 20:48:08 UTC

This kind of reasoning does not work

2019-04-06 20:48:20 UTC

I haven't been proven wrong, but we might as well move on.

2019-04-06 20:48:26 UTC

We're talkign about acceleration and @Ivan Pavlovich keeps insisiting a force is required, it's really not

2019-04-06 20:48:33 UTC

Can't you use p = f*v and disregard the mass term

2019-04-06 20:48:36 UTC

But mass is part of the relationship between both

2019-04-06 20:48:38 UTC

How can you have a force with zero mass @Ivan Pavlovich ?

2019-04-06 20:48:47 UTC

Yes

2019-04-06 20:48:48 UTC

How much does a beam of light weigh?

2019-04-06 20:48:51 UTC

How can you have a mass with no acceleration?

2019-04-06 20:49:03 UTC

Same equation

2019-04-06 20:49:05 UTC

Same logic

2019-04-06 20:49:12 UTC

Ok, so you're confusing the light with the object that's being pushed.

2019-04-06 20:49:22 UTC

object being pushed by light with zero mass

2019-04-06 20:49:32 UTC

The acceleration _of the object_ is what matters

2019-04-06 20:49:42 UTC

@Syntax Thank you, can you tell @Ivan Pavlovich that please

2019-04-06 20:49:56 UTC

F = ma refers to the object being pushed, not the pusher.

2019-04-06 20:49:59 UTC

What I was saying is actually going against your line of reasoning

2019-04-06 20:50:13 UTC

because I swear to god if this zombie doesn't shut up about his forces I'm going to kick him, a zero sum force that creates an acceleration such shit

2019-04-06 20:50:35 UTC

Censorship.

2019-04-06 20:50:42 UTC

You can't use the equation to argue that way
Rearrange the equation and your logic causes the value of mass to be uncalculatable

2019-04-06 20:50:43 UTC

ANYWAYS, let's move on

2019-04-06 20:50:47 UTC

For real this time

2019-04-06 20:51:08 UTC

3. APPLICATION OF PRESSURE VECTORS https://imgur.com/a/g6eAkG6

2019-04-06 20:51:15 UTC

Hmm
sorry

2019-04-06 20:51:17 UTC

The woman is accelerating

2019-04-06 20:51:22 UTC

But I don't see any mass pushing that woman

2019-04-06 20:51:24 UTC

Isn't that just drag, how does that relate to gravity

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