I would like to assign your roles. To be verified you must provide 3 evidences towards the flat earth.

Well I’ve got two xd

That prove flat earth?

How about disproving round earth?

Maybe. Let’s see them

So in a plane, people always say they can see curvature of the earth but that is just from the windows

Ok

Cont

And the pictures people have of the round earth is either art or cgi

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Is it too much to hope for a verified globe role?

Windows are curved

@gohan coming right up 😃

Exactly

Plus...

Yay

Blue

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Can I have permission to post pictures? I have a picture with a really good point

This is real evidence

One chance. If you post anything bad. You're gone.

@Dusty Garlic We need to verify you first.

@Dusty Garlic go ahead

I think that’s a really good point

Very good

Where is your 3rd proof

Well that is my third proof I guess

Ok. 😃

@Dusty Garlic Go to <#539316279086022666> and <#484538051415113748> to select your roles.

So, I noticed that predictive policing was a conspiracy theory

Yes?

Is the conspiracy that police departments are predicting crimes? Kinda like in the Watchdogs games?

Cuz I selected it, but I want to make sure it is what I think it is

Or in minority report

Never seen that, actually

Good movie

I'll have to give it a watch

The Watchdogs games tackled that idea as well.

Those were good games

Wtf are the watchdog games?

They're games related to the concept of surveillance/mass manipulation

Where a company called Blume developed a "CtOS", a program that handles city infrastructure and stuff

And crime prediction algorithms/profiling are a major part of the second game.

You mean video games?

Yeah

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I should have made that clear 😂

Yes you should have 😡

Sorryyy

😁

Yeah, they're really fun though. The main characters are hackers fighting against the establishment. In the second one, anyways.

Gohan. Back to the moon landing. Please explain how astronauts are able to manoeuvre spacecraft in the vacuum of space.

Right

Newton's Third Law of motion

By ejecting fuel from the nozzles or rocket engines, the spacecraft moves in the opposite direction

It's a self-contained system

Of course. But how can they actually drive it...or steer it?

That's actually a really good question, that I happen to know the answer to

There's two systems, which collectively fall under "RCS"

RCS stands for "Reaction Control System"

The two types of RCS control are directional thrusters and reaction wheels

Directional thrusters are the most commonly used.
Did you learn about vectors in math?

Knowing basic vector calculations helps to visualize this

Reaction wheels are used to spin the spacecraft along the longer axis, while RCS thrusters are used to translate and rotate the spacecraft along the other axes

Ok. I got what you’re saying. In order to propel a heavy space vehicle in a vacuum requires an incredible force...especially as there is nothing to push against. Agreed?

Not an incredible force, just a force in general

The "nothing to push against" doesn't matter here, as the rocket engine is a self contained system. The fuel being ejected out the back is why the rocket moves forwards.

How much fuel is needed to lift off from earth, carry that craft to the moon (bearing the weight of a Land Rover, btw), landing successfully, taking off again and coming back to earth?

It depends on the type of fuel used, and the engines used in each stage

For example, Ion engines use Xenon gas, while conventional rockets tend to use kerosene, or a mixture of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen.

Certain boosters also use solid fuel, but those are mainly for support

So how much fuel is needed?

In this instance

It depends on the kind of fuel. What mission do you want to analyze?

The engine efficiencies matter as well

First moon landing

There's a reason people say "this isn't rocket science"

It's complex stuff

And even the tiniest change can throw off everything. Case in point, the Challenger Shuttle disaster. The entire shuttle blew up because a singular rubber ring cracked, because it was slightly too cold that morning.

@Dusty Garlic Wtf?

My friend posted this I’m no longer friends with them

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Lol jk have a nice day

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Don’t worry about it, man, just try not to troll the mods.

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@Dusty Garlic I have taken your image posting privileges away.

K

Lol

!mute @Dusty Garlic

Dusty Garlic#5920 (294743497028665346) is now muted for '**Unspecified.**', alright? <:THUMBSUP6:403560443345371137>

Shoot, what did he say, I didn’t get to see it?

He claimed to be s flat earther

Oh, that’s it? Eh

Then posts shit like that

He’s a troll

Oh, nvm, lol

In total, for the Saturn V rocket

That’s not what I asked gohan

I assume those are either/or, Gohan?

"So how much fuel is needed?"

No, that's total

Uses all three? Huh

The first stage used kerosene, second and third use Liquid Hydrogen

Ah, gotcha

All three need liquid oxygen as an oxidizer

@The Gwench that's exactly what you asked. You asked how much fuel. That's the answer.

I actually went full stupid and didn’t realize the second and third said oxygen and hydrogen.

770,000 liters of liquid kerosene
1,575,000 liters of liquid oxygen
1,250,000 liters of liquid hydrogen

Ah

I thought both said both, lmao

The tired is kicking in

I asked for the first moon landing

That's the answer Gwench

Sup dudes.

The first moon landing used a Saturn V rocket

How much does that fuel weigh?

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Did you read what Werner von braun wrote about moon rockets

2,725,600 kilograms, or about 2700 metric tons of fuel @The Gwench

What size tanks would that much fuel need?

One second

"It is commonly believed that man will fly directly from the earth to the moon, but to do this, we would require a vehicle of such gigantic proportions that it would prove an economic impossibility. It would have to develop sufficient speed to penetrate the atmosphere and overcome the earth’s gravity and, having traveled all the way to the moon, it must still have enough fuel to land safely and make the return trip to earth." Von Braun

@The Gwench
770,000 liters of liquid kerosene
1,575,000 liters of liquid oxygen
1,250,000 liters of liquid hydrogen
Liters is a measure of volume

So what

@gohan read citizens post

Why are you posting fantasy

I did @The Gwench

Z, you realize that the best Von Braun had to work with was ethanol, right?

“It is commonly believed that man will fly directly from the earth to the moon, but to do this, we would require a vehicle of such gigantic proportions that it would prove an economic impossibility. It would have to develop sufficient speed to penetrate the atmosphere and overcome the earth’s gravity and, having traveled all the way to the moon, it must still have enough fuel to land safely and make the return trip to earth. Furthermore, in order to give the expedition a margin of safety, we would not use one ship alone, but a minimum of three … each rocket ship would be taller than New York’s Empire State Building [almost ¼ mile high] and weigh about ten times the tonnage of the Queen Mary, or some 800,000 tons.”

— Wernher von Braun, the father of the Apollo space program, writing in Conquest of the Moon

The V-2 rocket, his crowning achievement, used ethanol and water as the primary components in its fuel

Take a lesson

You're also quoting the guy who sent the first man-made object into space

I find that ironic

Supposedly sent.

Look at his gravestone

Then why would you trust his quotes?

The dimensions of a Saturn V indicate it could hold roughly 8.7 million liters of internal components. Figure I would toss that into the conversation so Gwench could have an answer.

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<1> The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. ```

If the V2 rocket never made it to space, why would you trust his quotes about space travel?

You are just beliving

@Ætos I think Gwench was asking about fuel specifically, so the numbers I gave are the minimums

You know von Braun used Jews in slave tunnels and mines to build the V2?

He was a nazi

You trust nazis?

Yeah, I’m aware, but if the fuel totals out at the ~3.5 million liters, then the rocket can definitely hold it.

*that’s directed towards Gohan, obviously*

I don't trust Nazis, but apparently you do? You're quoting him a lot

The point is Von Braun contradicted himself. Why?

He was a nazi

Want to see who built the v2?

That doesn’t actually make him a liar. . .

Actually it does

Not really, it just makes him a bad person.

You can't have it both ways Z, he can't both be lying about the V2, but telling the truth about the moon

Lordy 🙄

Nazis didnt lie?

Because both of those are built on the same base of knowledge

Well now you're just generalizing.

Disagree with anything a flat earther.says

That's your motto

I’m not saying they didn’t lie, I’m saying that not everything they said is a lie. Otherwise the holocaust didn’t happen, none of their armored vehicles were real, etc.

Dumasses

This is my cue to exit.

So far I’ve literally disagreed with one point.

@Ætos You just contradicted yourself

._.

DM me if you have any more questions @The Gwench

@gohan is that cowardice?

Sure, if that's what you want to call it.

He could suffer repercussions if he continues in here. He wants to both stay in the server and tell you his perspective.

Cowardice it is then

I'd rather not get called a mongoloid again, or get muted for disagreeing

I wouldn’t do that

In the words of Michael Bay’s script writer, “I am a coward, but sometimes, cowards survive.”

Z already did it once

And I'm detecting a pattern. He's getting mad.

Gohan are you a victim or a volunteer?

Depends on the situation

Me personally, I’m cool with being banned, it’s your server, so do what you see fit, lol. I literally would have no good reason to complain.

?

Gohan was implying it, lol

@Ætos Your imagination is running wild.

I believe he is bringing up *potential* repercussions

Is there a reason you should be banned?

I didn’t say you guys were going to ban me, lol

I’m saying should you ever choose to, I’d be okay with it

Because, like I said, this is *literally your server*

I need to justify my bans

it wasn't just von braun, operation paperclip exonhorated 1600 nazi war criminals

And I'm saying that I'm not going to continue speaking within the server at the moment, because Z appears to be getting agitated, and I'd rather not get muted because he got angry

Hans Amtmann[1], Herbert Axster, Erich Ball[2], Oscar Bauschinger[3], Hermann Beduerftig[4], Rudi Beichel[5], Anton Beier, Herbert Bergeler[6], Magnus von Braun, Wernher von Braun, Theodor Buchhold[7], Walter Burose, G N Constan, Werner Dahm, Konrad Dannenberg, Kurt H. Debus, Gerd De Beek, Walter Dornberger, Gerhard Drawe[8], Friedrich Duerr, Ernst R. G. Eckert, Otto Eisenhardt[9], Krafft Arnold Ehricke, Alfred Finzel, Edward Fischel[10], Karl Fleischer, Herbert Fuhrmann, Ernst Geissler, Werner Gengelbach, Dieter Grau, Hans Gruene, Herbert Guendel[11], Fritz Haber[12], Heinz Haber, Karl Hager, Guenther Haukohl, Karl Heimburg, Emil Hellebrand, Gerhard Heller, Bruno Helm, Rudolf Hermann, Bruno Heusinger, Hans Heuter, Guenther Hintze [13], Heinz-Hermann Koelle, Sighard F. Hoerner, Oscar Holderer[14], Hans Hosenthien[15], Walter Jacobi, Erich Kaschig[16], Ernst Klaus, Theodore Knacke[17], Siegfried Knemeyer, Gustav Kroll, Werner Kuers[18], Hermann H. Kurzweg, Hermann Lange, Hans Lindenberg, Hans Lindenmayr, Alexander Martin Lippisch, Hans Maus[19], Helmut Merk, Joseph Michel[20], Hans Milde, Heinz Millinger, Rudolf Minning, Willy Mrazek[21], Hans Multhopp, Erich Neubert, Hermann Oberth (advisor), Hans von Ohain (designer of German jet engines), Robert Paetz, Hans Palaoro [22], Kurt Patt, Hans Paul, Theodor Poppel, Werner Rosinski[23], Heinrich Rothe[24], Ludwig Roth, Arthur Rudolph, Friedrich von Saurma (de), Martin Schilling, Helmut Schlitt, Albert Schuler, August Schulze, Walter Schwidetzky, Ernst Steinhoff, Wolfgang Steurer, Ernst Stuhlinger, Kurt Tank, Bernhard Tessmann, Adolf Thiel, Georg von Tiesenhausen, Werner Tiller[25], J.G. Tschinkel, Arthur Urbanski[26], Fritz Vandersee[27], Werner Voss, Theodor Vowe, Herbert A. Wagner, Hermann Weidner, and Walter Fritz Wiesemann[28]

nasa also subcontracted jobs to 10's of thousands of other workers in various industries

@gohan Your cog-dis is strong

Does this photo not even make you feel anything?

You're going to have to be more specific about which photo.

Okay, my cog-dis is strong because I don't want to make Z angry?

Sounds about right

He was using slaves to build his rocket

Yes, that photo does make me feel something, but I'm not sure what you're getting at

NASA hired this man

Are you.blind?

He should have been hung

If you don’t want to make him angry, please explore his claims. Don’t automatically set out to debunk.

Well, he didn't really have a choice but to work for them, but I'm still not sure what this argument is trying to accomplish

Ignorance

I can't explore or debunk a claim I can't understand

You always have a choice

You are a nazi shill

It was work for them, or be hung

Ouch

Lol

Guys stop

NASA took him *after* the whole "work people to death" thing

You are defending some sick shit @gohan

I'm not defending anything

Defending liars

Nazis

?

NASA is the nazis

You're jumping to some pretty serious accusations there

About me, not NASA

No I'm not actually

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To clarify

The nazis and the military industrial complex...

You are the one believing and defending nasa

They are nazis

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You trust them

Congrats

Alright then.

No. He’s just gullibke

Someone can be evil and trustworthy. That doesn’t make the person good by any means.