night you actual commie

And remember, economic mobility is still very pertinent

^

Night

Night

night 😉

I wouldn't say economic mobility is as possible as in the 90s

Thats not to say that it isnt possible

^

Especially when we have two trillion dollar companies that exploit large numbers of workers

Tbh I'd say it's become more mobile because of the potency of cryptocurrency and spontaneous trade wars and tariffs

I never tried to argue for it, but at least its possible to keep people fed

You could just say that all types of investments can do that

I don't think meme bucks will do anything in the next 10 years

dogecoin raised over one billion

lol

hopefully dogecoin is dead tho

A billion dollars distributed between a small amount of investors. Sounds good to me tbh

^

only problem is that it's called ***dogecoin***

I dont like Capitalism, but it is better than the alternatives

For our country anyways

For other smaller nations, it may be that socialism would be more efficient

Scandinavia

The only thing bitcoin has done is made people wanting to buy illegal stuff off of the deep web insufferable millionaires

That is still circulation of money though

Yeah

It cant all stay underground

no matter how the money is used, where it's used, or when, it's still money

Its virtually impossible to ban cryptography

***remove the internet***

^

This however implies that the free market makes sure all captital gets distributed, but think of what's his face from Amazon. He's makes his employees average salary in 10 minutes that's fucked

^

I never implied that

Drip down doesnt work

Not all money is circulated

has drip down ever worked?

However America is still built on drip down

***Ronald Reagan***

North America is built on people with money

Doesnt matter where it moves

^

Its still fucked though

***Foxcon***

Yeah it's a bit fucked

Ideally, everyone should be able to have equal oppritunity

That's why I lean socialist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkSXB-lRAp0

At most I lean Social Democratic

And even then, I have to ignore the instability

*Democratic Socialism is still Socialism*

Oof

As great as it would be to have an entirely ethical socio-economic environment, it probably wouldnt work

Actually, most economists consider it a form of Capitalism

I mean out current rates of consumption are unsustainable when you factor in environmental concerns

Social democracy is not the same as democratic socialist btw

We have to change anyway

Better of two evils

Anything with socialist in the name is the same

Anarco is the same is Syndicalism ?

I dont think so

Communism is Social democratic

No

Socialism is a very nebulous term

Yeah, I don't really know economics. I'm more into environmental studies

Thats important too tbh

Means I can be smug about being against the system, but I'm basically unemployable

What do you think of the Paris Treaty?

lol

Its nice to be idealist

***"beautiful clean coal"***

Paris treaty is a tricky one

Id love it if humanitarian work was employable though

It just doesnt pay enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPIy4mdBOg

^

Tbh The American EPA is pretty much dead

sorry to say

Anyone else love clean coal?

There are some concerns with keeping counties accountable, and each country set its own standards. This means that it's incredibly easy for a country to do the bare minimum. However it's really very good that all the counties (at least at the time 😠😠😠) came together

America = China

You're right about that

Do you think that lack of accountability was a major or minor problem?

I mean you can argue either way, it's better than nothing

I agree

Personally, I dont know that it would have amounted to much with the regulations in place

I think myself that we've got maybe one or two more American presidencies before we know for sure if we are buggered. I spoke to one of the guys that wrote the treaty and he said trump was a shame but not a death sentence

But that might have been before he dropped out of the accords

Yikes

I hope that the organization can recover

I'm honored to have talked to someone who's talked to someone who signed the Paris Treaty

:))

Its important that countries take initiative for these types of things

^^

He worked for the EU so he's fine, and he didn't sign it he just kept people accountable and did all the number crunching

kk

What do you think of the Euro?

I don't know enough tbh

ah

I know I'd rather be in the EU than out if it

Why is that?

The benefits outweigh the costs for most countries

Not all countries

What about the economy?

I mean just don't be Greece lol

***brexit***

The South has done very badly

Italy and greece

Rip

Hey @Satan

Hey

Hey

Hey

Yeah they were hit hard, but Brussels and the east of the EU protected themselves. However Britan was one of the most lucky counties in the EU, and no other member is looking to leave while that shit show is going on.

True

The issue is it's not very transparent to a regular person

What do you think about the European Immigration crisis?

***oooooOOOOOOOOFFFFF***

That's a big one lol

lol yeah

That's like the whole thing lmao

Its a big boi

It's more an ethical question, I think refugees need to be looked after but I understand there are some concerns. However I haven't seen any data from Germany or France that crime has significantly increased. I mostly hear about how bad it is from Americans who want the trump wall.

There's a lot of misinformation out there

Do you think that any of the data isnt surfacing?

I mean it's a goverment process so it's gonna be slow lol, I know there are community lead maps that show it, but those are incredibly biased

Some EU countries arent doing crime stats by ethnicity anymore as well

especially r a p e

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With anything as racially loaded as the refugee crisis there is going to be a lot of misinformation and scaremongering

True

Do you think that immigration is helpful for economy?

I think the data does show that immigration is helpful

Which data are you referring to?

Genuinely curious btw, Im not instigating

I don't really have a source arm I'm on my phone

So take what I'm saying with a grain of salt

General citation?

***CNN*** ***FOX***

Something I should look for?

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-24/low-skilled-immigrants-drive-the-american-economy

Probably something like this, only skimmed it though

fair enough

More what that person cites than what he says about it

Tbh that seems a little bit badly written

ok, ok

Its a fine source

I see what you mean

Immigration from Asian countries is certainly better. They have a much higher education than we do on average. I'm sure that anyone in China would be shot for thinking that the Earth is flat.

I think that immigration does help the economy, but my main concern is crime.

^

Especially with the european crisis

Yeah it's a healthy concern, but I think it's a little unfounded

How so?

In the US most terrorists are white locals, that's a big claim so I should back it up brb

Terrorism isnt a major concern though

Im talking about domestic crime

rape, murder, robbery, etc.

Terrorism means very little outside of the home country of any give group, I agree with you on that

Yes, exactly

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/16396612/las-vegas-mass-shooting-terrorism-islam

I agree

Yeah just thought I better send it if anyone scrolls up and calls me out on it

Fair enough

fair enough

I can agree with that

I dont think that Vox news is a good source though

statistics eh, its almost like by having millions upon millions of them around each other while having what like less than 1% being terrorists

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It's basically a very vocal minority

Petty crime is a much bigger issue

Vox does have some hot takes but they keep a decent amount of accountability and ethics. I mean they aren't fake news or a left wing infowars

Aka The Young Turks

lol

I agree though

***left wing infowars*** lol

imagine if alex jones was a modern feminist liberal

With Immigration, their articles tend to be very biased

There could never be a left wing infowars, left wing people would never be that entertaining, they take themselves too seriously

Its a complicated issue

tbh, that is true

Thats so fucking true

I'm really sad that Infowars got hosed tbh

rip entertainment

Rip my dad

what do you mean it got hosed lol they still have a website

off Youtube

From social media platforms

Except Twitter

lmao

ya now they get free reign on there own platform

Immigration is a tough subject

\

Not all immigrants are criminals, probably not even the majority.

Talking specifically about the european crisis btw

It's just a highly vocal minority

Yeah I think personally that any ethicnic group has a higher natural desire for crime (odd thing to clarify in this discussion but there are some alt right people here) I think the issue is thst if you look at the drivers of crime; poverty, distrust in society, no social help, it would be understandable that minorities have a higher crime rate.

one bad apple ruining the batch

I agree, but thats not an excuse

Crime is crime

^

The reality is that we can't just sweep terrorism under the rug, even if it is a minority

I think that if we demonise refugees and minorities we actively increase the risk of them commiting crimes. We should be supportive of intergrating them into society

To what extent?

To our own detriment?

Okay what would going too far be?

To the point where we dont file crimes by ethnicity?

Thats too far

The more you reject them and tell them you don’t want them there, the less likely they are to integrate

Ethnicity should stay just as pertinent no matter the circumstances

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVAMUCt8-Ho

Okay, so you think we shouldn't sugarcoat it, that's fair

I dont want to reject anyone! I just dont think that crime shouldnt be handled so lightly

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If a high percentile of immigrants are criminals, it doesnt need to reflect on all of them

By assuming that, youve already generalized the group

By legislating it, youve killed your cause

I mean what's the benefit of recording ethnicity?

Finding the criminal

every detail helps

Especially if it's visual

Because the rates of crime by ethnicity pertain to future legislation

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ5LnY21Hgc

I'm sure they record it at the time, but there is an argument for not publishing the statisitcs

If you have previously published those statistics and you have stopped recording and publishing them after a rise in a single ethinic group, isnt it obvious what is happening?

They dont want people to think that they are criminals

You shouldnt hide that just for the sake of keeping it quiet

That is **censorship**

^

***redpill***

Greenpill

birdpill

redpill = nasty

That's assuming intent to obscure

Yes

Also do you have a source for the stats changing?

Yes

The actual published stats

Worst are Sweden and Germany

Its all public

Hmu

Me has no idea

lit

Also Sweden's stats are weird, incredibly so for sex crimes. That's why their rates seem so much higher than other western counties

Weird?