@toga, just scroll up

well well well

What do you think,

Why do you never explain why you keep saying "**AUSTRALIA**"

@stevenlin what happened last time

well

Dude, what is wrong with australia?

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You just keep saying "it says Australia".

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@Quorum listen, you said something about Polaris, I responded about Polaris,
then you tried telling me the star trails aren't of Polaris.
I never said the star trails were of Polaris.
I think this is a misunderstand and I'm done with it.

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I thought you meant that in my reality, I also thought that Polaris was below the equator

Polaris is the north star

You said "yet people see polaris below the equator". You said that right after saying "so in your reality"

The wording confused me.

Ok np

People do see Polaris below the equator

Which shouldn't happen on a globe. Another claim for a mirage

It's only just barely under the equator, which I'm pretty sure the article said

It starts to fade the more south you get from the equator

"Under typical atmospheric conditions, this adds 0.57° to an object’s altitude, so Polaris would barely show up from 1.23° south latitude."

The two points I listed are way further down the equator.

Deducing things from the spherical model is wrong to begin with

What? I concluded that the point in those photos is not Polaris, meaning it is a different point in the sky using simple deduction. Idk what you mean tbh

K. Please show me your measurements of the surface

Interested.

What kind of measurements?

Measurements of the earth curving at the globe math given

1 sec

Someone told me about the 8 inches per mile squared thing, he said this: "8 inches per mile squared calculation is a parabolic approximation of a circle, rather than a linear drop off."

Ships going to the horizon will start to dissapear from the bottom of the mass to the top. This is bc the horizon is curved or round

On a flat earth the boat would just get smaller and smaller until it disappeared.

Brb in like 5-10 mins or somethin

@jlegend wrong

How

@jlegend things disappear from the bottom up because that's how light works

It is bc the ship is going past the curved horizon

When you are standing on the beach and looking into the distance, the farther you look, the more shallow the angle becomes. Once that angle of light bouncing of the objects in the distance hits .02 degrees, the light becomes unresolvable. Think of a boat as trillions of photons of light coming to your eye. When that light hits a certain angle, it's not longer resolved

@jlegend your last comment. that's the reason the globe gives. Its assumed. It is not science. Its just an assumption based of thinking you live on a ball. No measurements, nothing.

Based on my reason

The correct reason

We live on a round earth

And I hate to tell you but its incorrect

How is it incorrect

If you would like to show me your direct scientific measurements. I might believe you.

I'll be waiting.

But I'm not just going to take your word for it

I've seen zero evidence for a globe

I have some measurements telling me its flat

FECORE
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bV8hCkvT7gRFkoR6J0AY1mDwYfQR7PAg/view

You can prove it using observation

Go to the ocean and look at the ships leaving

If the world were flat as you say then the ships would not be visible only from the top.

What abt Eratosthenes study

I think flat earthers say it also works with a small and local sun, idk how true that is though

Ffs are you dumb

@jlegend

Where he saw the sun shining directly above syene but in alexandria the Alexandria that didnt happen

How am I dumb @Citizen Z

@jlegend I just explained how light works

Il get you more info to read so maybe you will understand

You have assumptions as of now based on old history

We now know those ideas are wrong

It's not old history

Boats dont go over the horizon

That's a myth

It was an acient discovery proving my point

Myth

No.

You can see it

It's not going over a horizon

It's the way light works

In different surfaces the sun hits at different angles

Bc we are on a flat surface

You are not listening

Firstly

OPTICS

This is how angular resolution works physically in the eye.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459802853524111361/1_EN.png
Cameras work the same way.
The cones of the retina is a zoom in of the eye. If the angular size of the target is not enough to activate more than a single cones/sensor the object is unresolvable.
There are 3 ways to decrease angular separation.
1. Move the two separate targets further or closer together.
2.Increase the distance.
3. Change the angle of view.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459805458644074511/angseperation.jpg

First here is a demonstration of how angle of view changes the angular separation of 2 targets. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459806914331541504/unknown.png

For example in this image, as the stop sign's angular size shrinks from distance or angle, the image that prjected onto the retina also shrinks. Eventually it will reach such as small size the eye can not physically detect the light. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459808085436006410/refraction_cornea.png
A geometric analogy would be closing a pair of scissors. When the scissor tips are closer together than the spacing between the rods and cones of the eye then you get to see the target. The point where the tips cross from too close to normal vision is the angular resolution.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459817803038326784/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459818062858682368/65116694_resized550bbc_sg_g4_eye.png
When the angle of view becomes to much it pretty much goes parallel, but you lose sight of the ground before that. It's the same on the globe too but even worse because the angle of view is increasing quicker because of the curving away of the ball surface.

These next images show someone how the angle stays the same but the area that you are actually observing increases. You can see the 5th image how the bottom of a building would disappear.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459819761644077057/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813762132869126/ang1.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813783464968206/ang2.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813767576813578/ang4.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813769548267542/ang5.png

They are using this stuff for self-driving cars. To automate the driving they have to turn the perspective view into an orthographic top down view.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459807394109849600/fig_2.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459807507745996810/hqdefault.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459818062858682368/65116694_resized550bbc_sg_g4_eye.png
The soure of that image.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/0/20937803

Even though the title is BS. No one sees further. You ONLY capture more light.

This is how they build telescopes, to capture light.
Large telescope are reflectors. The larger convex lens gets the more distortion. So they made this. It all works the same generally speaking. A telescope will only help so much. It depends on the light collecting ability that is determined by the diameter of the lens. Some of these aren't built yet...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/460954948222320640/512px-Comparison_optical_telescope_primary_mirrors.png
They are making the lens bigger not building 15 mile long telescopes.

Here is a demonstration of angular resultion effects with an eye charts 1D is distance from chart 2D is 2 time the distance etc...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/460955465246048256/unknown.png

Optical and Geographical Slant.
Links to PDFs and resources.

https://archive.org/details/perceptionofvisu00jame

http://faculty.psy.ohio-state.edu/todd/group/Shape%20from%20Texture/Todd-2007-jov-7-12-9.pdf

http://wexler.free.fr/library/files/todd%20%282005%29%20the%20effects%20of%20field%20of%20view%20on%20the%20perception%20of%203D%20slant%20from%20texture.pdf

http://wexler.free.fr/library/files/flock%20%281965%29%20optical%20texture%20and%20linear%20perspective%20as%20stimuli%20for%20slant%20perception.pdf

https://www.csc2.ncsu.edu/faculty/healey/download/tap.12.pdf

Source video to shorter version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yjTuaHHsTM
A short video explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNg5wqYKkJE

Accompanying information and imagery to go with the above PDFs and resources.

"As he looks downward toward his feet the slant approaches zero, as he looks upward the slant increases, as the center of ckesr vision approaches the horizon the slant becomes maximal, and at the horizon itself the land ceases to be a surface and becomes an edge."

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/461973747197411339/Screenshot_20180628-121601_Drive.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/461973747776094228/Screenshot_20180628-121640_Drive.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459444571332411412/Screenshot_20180621-113400_Drive.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458099953349427210/461804044697075712/unknown-35-1-1.png

Next we have what is called Spatial Disorientation & Visual Illusions which includes our visible horizon. Sometimes called the offing, this apparent line is where the sky meets the ground and is being perceived as an edge because of perspective due geographical slant and other optical phenomena.
Visible Horizon 1
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/462039366013812748/Screenshot_20180628-141432_Chrome.jpg
Offing
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/462038361121619968/Screenshot_20180628-141841_Chrome.jpg
Visible Horizon 2
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/462038361612222465/Screenshot_20180623-163225_Chrome-2.jpg
"In the offing"
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/462038360362582038/Screenshot_20180628-143947_Chrome.jpg

False visual reference illusion
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/462038359708008450/Screenshot_20180628-144334_Drive.jpg

Spatial orientation & Visual Illusions
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/462038361121619969/Screenshot_20180628-144237_Drive.jpg