@MsNatSocialist you have first hand experience with how bad this idea is, I don't understand how you can defend the socialism part of national socialism

as larpy as it sounds, national capitalism is the way forward

free markets inside our borders, protectionist policies when we engage with the outside world to protect our interests

what say you yuge of the idea of lending newly married couples some money and cutting 1/4 of the debt every time they have a baby

It was a legal way of changing laws without actually changing any laws and it being perfectly legal and cut off the middle man. It was sly and completely underhanded.
I left that job because the internal politics got too dirty.

i mean, it's not ideal but it'd be a better system than the current social safety net

it'd be better not to tax and spend in the first place

the government devalues every dollar it takes in taxes

hmm

what say you of roads

@Campin' Carl i'd rather do that than pay a bunch of niggers to have kids

you know what you said before about internal and external trade policies was basically what australia started with

one could make an argument for roads, but you must understand it's going to have a tendency to become a black hole for money

one whole argument for federation was to create a strong external trade border but eliminating internal tariffs between states

infrastructure is important, I don't know anyone that does it well TBH

albert speer was good at that wasnt he?

At the end of the day, you've got to tax someone and it should only be tax to you if you use the facility or item.

I am 100% in favor of use fees

what are they then

roads are the biggest example of where pragmatism gets in the way of that

but most things could be more effectively funded through use fees rather than taxes

@Campin' Carl why did austraila move away from the free internal markets/protected trade engagements arrangement?

commies?

yeah

figures

we had em right up till the 90s

defense is one of the few areas of goverment expenditure that can be justified

regardless of who pays in, everyone inside a state's borders benefits from the spending, and it's not realistic to exclude those who don't pay in from benefitting

could you spell defence properly

no

rrreeee

you'll be alright

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Keating

this cunt got rid of our protectionist policies

a catholic @MsNatSocialist

figures

then y'all bought into the f-35

that was abbott i think

yea it was later

he started the downhill slide

should have bought f/a-18 super hornets TBH

we should buy an aircraft carrier or 2 first

or just make them

Free markets is a libertarian idea and it's impossible to recreate. At the end of the day someone has to pay someone to do something and I'd rather not have to deal with the logistical nightmare of community funding micro financial departments.
Especially if you live in cities or suburbs.
Also who pays for defense? Who pays for military? who pays for people to do these micro treasuries?
Who pays for these things?
GST?

so you're into wasting incomprehensibly large amounts of people's money

got it

did you not read what I just wrote? I said defense is one of the few justifiable government expenditures

because you can't exclude those who don't pay from the service

bureaucracy increases the cost of things too you know

No, I'm not... But who will do this stuff for free? Who will have the time?

NASA had a lot of trouble with that you know

some of their nuts and bolts were costing $500 per piece

10 times the cost of it commercially

i think there should be a national defence force paid for via taxes

but theres gotta be a certain amount of cooperation betweet government and businesses

nobody does it for free

you pay use fees for the thigns you use

want to use a park? pay a fee

dont' use the park? you shouldn't be forced to pay for it

I don't think I shoudl be forced to pay for a nigger history museam, for instance

But the park looks pretty and it'll make my neighborhood look pretty.

we could go on for years bringing up examples of government expenditures that have absolutely no justification

that's nice

i think he means car park

patronize it then

why do you want to use the absolutely least cost effective means to provide these things?

because pretty?

that makes absolutely no sense

and it's why the US is fucking $20 trillion in debt

can you even comprehend how much money that is?

i thought that was because youre being forced to pay for niggers

and mexicans

exactly, forced to pay for pointless government programs

you shoudl go to an american park sometime, it's filled with niggers and spics

if the niggers had to actually bear the cost, they wouldn't fucking go

youre talking about those city parks arent you

but we all know they don't pay any taxes yet use up all the services the white people pay for

or national parks

well the national park i live next to never has niggers or spics in it

or frankly, 98% of the shit governmetn funds

I'm a woman, I care about these things... I don't want my neighborhood boring to look at, I want it to be pleasing. Parks, lakes, bike tracks, running tracks etc... I don't care if I don't use it... But I might want to one day, but I don't want to pay up front on a possibility that I might use it one day.

and as far as i know most of the cost spent on the park is controlled burn offs

this is why women shuold have been never given the vote

now we're $20 trillion in debt

thanks women

i hope the feels are worth mortgaging several generations worth of decent lives

@here

Nigga

Voice chat

dude, don'y abuse the here @Chef Goyardee

i think the main problem of america is its full of niggers and other undesirables

that just makes the bad behavior worse

I not abusing

true

I'm using

sorry, i thought you just said here

you know now that i think about it

it was segmented

If a community doesn't have it because no one will use it or everyone doesn't know if they will use it - but won't put money on something that they may/may not use... then you'll have a bunch of people too conflicted on if they want one or not and if they want to pay upfront for something they may not use.
But then again, who will pay the upfront fees and labour?

in a white ethnostate you wouldnt need a national park

because there it would be anyway

Real dingo hours christ

and you could just go for a walk any time

exactly

Why aren't y'all in voice chat

instead us white people in america are forced to be tax cattle for diversity

because im listening to the shoah

and im fucking tired of it

so you can keep larping abotu natsoc and pretty things, but it's fucking stupid and i'm tired of bearing the burden of the idiotic economic policies

well yuge, come and visit me for a couple weeks and see what you think of living in a white country

this is why I'm moving to tennessee

no state income taxes

nice

very low property taxes

also nice

very friendly business laws

everything east of nashville is more white than the national average

doesnt texas as well as also have no state income tax?

some counties are 95%+ white

yes

but they have an 8.5% sales tax

but it has mexicans

and mexicans

you know now that i think about it youd hate it in australia

in the grand scheme of things, it's one of the more attractive states in the US

everything is taxes

taxed*

I just think TN is nicer

extortion

leave me alone

let me spend my money as i see fit

ever heard of GST?

yep

i think its 10% here

i'd be OK with GST if the income tax were removed

basically everything is taxed for 10%

Ugh

taxing consumption makes about a million times more sense than taxing production (income)

Get in voice

on top of booze and tobacco taxes, income tax

land tax

yea, taxing both sides of the equation makes no sense

business tax

fuck taxes

property tax

Everyone hates Chef

chef, I'm about to go to sleep

im not getting in voice

Boo

i should have been in bed an hour ago btu i had to shoot down natsoc larping

because im tired of seeing it paraded as some sort of good economic idea

I'm prepping for a rally tomorrow.

noice

you know booze is twice or even thrice as expencive here than anywhere else

yep

how illegal is it to home distill?

like 88 illegals?

1488 illegals?

i know youre allowed to homebrew beer and cider and whatnot

my friends dad likes to make gruppa

which is basically ethanol

yea you're allowed to home brew here, but not distil

well i think you're allowed to make like 4 gallons a year or something

tbh i wouldnt be surprised if thats the national monthly consumption of beer here

probably more, but i'm talking spirits

how much is 4 gallons in litres?

16ish

tbh id go through that much spirits a month if i had the money

yea

but when vodka is $60 a bottle

fuck that

lol

ive kept a bottle of russian standard going for nearly a year

im surprised homebrewing/distilling isn't a bigger part of your culture with that level of tax

well it is

you know of our moonshining culture, right?

coopers has a very popular brand of home brew kits for sale

that's specifically because of taxes

oh ok

we get coopers here, pretty good stuff tbh

orly

SA stuff, most popular beer in australia and its actually australian

unlike veebs

where is VB made?

thailand?

kek

its made here but its not owned by australians

ah ok

veebs was bought out by sabmiller, a south african company

same guys who own fosters

i didnt know coopers was international though

on the coopers brewing company though

Its shares are primarily owned by the extended Cooper family, and the company's constitution and classes of shares makes it difficult to sell shares outside the family.

budweiser was bought by inbev

it comes in red, yellow, and green bottles, right?

theyre the 4 main bottles

thats sparkling ale, stout and pale ale

theres also brown, dark ale

orange, mild ale

I think we get 3

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/attachments/the-attic/61491d1449303174-whats-your-favourite-beer-ohbeer-coopers1-jpg

yeah

those are the 3 I see around, anyway

pale, sparkling and stout

heres the rest

https://i.gyazo.com/859702b92fc7e1deee8568f5c8347211.png

is thier pilsner any good?

never tried it

ive tried sparkling, pale, mild, stout, dark and clear

I'm generally a fan of darker beers

but I enjoy pilsner when it's hot out

dark and clear are my preferred of the lot

if you ever get a chane to try this, try it http://cdn.thebeercritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/littleyellapils.jpg

i don't know that they export

but it's good shit

if they do id have to go to dan murphies or some other fancy booze shop

at it's like $10 USD for a 6 pack here, so it's probably like $60/6 pack there if you can even get it

it's not that good

you can get it in sydney apparently

$5.50 for a single can

lulz

oh theyre out of stock anyway

well all the oskar blues stuff is good

if you ever want to venture into some 'murica brews

hmmm i like the ol saying, seppo piss is like making love in a canoo

fucking close to water

nah that stuff isn't

I think the pils is 5.5%

their pale ale is 6%

i think

that is true for the macrobrews, but not the microbrews

@JohnnyMonoxide Great Paranormies episode, listening to it now, this shit has been on Youtube for some time, it's scary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDMSdf3U2s4 OK this is getting fuckeed up

There's tons of these, holy fuck...

@everyone voice

@Horatio Cary hori gotta be server muted or something

Rite clique

Roght click

Ajaha

Just have to listen to foreigners

Tru

You're the good ones

(((Them)))

Creepy

Yo

Where do babies come from?

Crude

Fuckin a when ya fuck a cunt in the cunt you get a right fuckin visit from a new cunt fuckin a

Someone read dis

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