/pol/ is whatever the people going there are into at the time

but in reality they just tolerate everything because it's all a cesspool lmfao

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All of that may be true, but if we go there right now, is a 50-50 mix of random stuff and hateful shit-posting

gore, bestiality, borderline pedophilia, you name it
whether it be edgy memes or actually fucked up people you will find it there

i only go on 4chan if i'm in a good mood and have to call a support hotline 😄

in terms of /pol/'s values on average it's definitely closer to the alt-right than progressive left (at least in the past year)

but 90% of it is reactive

and the progressive left just happens to be putting out the most garbage in volume

so it's normal to see

reddit is more constructive assuming you can find moderators that allow politics and are mostly neutral when things get heated

IGD is pretty bad. I think it was them who had articles about how to sabotage train tracks and lots of pro antifa stuff.

Yeah the request to verify came from a lefty prof of mine. Not surprising

https://archive.fo/6E74K

Those kinds of people shouldn’t be teachers.

I think she's a pretty fair teacher on her topics. She's not pro-antifa or anything and she covers he topics fairly well. She's far from apolitical but i don't think there is anything wrong with that. College is about encountering people who disagree with you

(I don't mean to sound defensive of her or offended, I'm not)

I don’t know your teacher so I’ll take your word for it but I’m really wary of anyone who takes the far left seriously.

Are you wary of anyone who takes the far-right seriously?

Don't you think its important to be presented with a diversity of opinions, some of them absurd but seriously defended when in college?

I’m wary of both. I don’t think you should shut down extreme views but also be careful to not cross the line of indoctrination.

extreme views on either side have issues..

Idk, there are some 'extreme' views that I like. (I'm partial to minarchism).

extremeism is generally bad, "only sith deal in absolutes"

I think there are plenty of far-right and left views that are worth being exposed to and engaging with.

extreme views are generally centrist views, just to the extreme...

@CreativeRealms i take the far left seriously

our federal government literally shut down and far left progressives are taking over major institutions all over the world at an alarming rate

so like

there are clearly risks

I take them seriously in that way yes. As in they are a serious danger.

i'm not a reactionary in the sense that join a group simply to oppose another party's views

because often it's mis-applied like universitites and their excessive nitpicking of themself despite not having the problems they describe like racism against minorities and rape

Sexual violence on campus is definitely a real problem.

compared to what

Compared to sexual violence off campus

citation?

Err this is the awkward part, I actually useds to generate the statistics at my campus.

everything i've seen shows that physical violence is lower on campus along with pretty much every crime

But i can't present them or discuss them intimately because of legal stuff

I can't speak to that.

All i can say with relative certainty, is that on my campus (and i've heard this is normal) the number of reported sexual incidents on surveys is much higher than normal. it depends on a lot of things of course, how do you define sexual violence/rape, what counts as on campus and so on

But what is unequivocally clear is that college-aged girls who actually attend university are very much at risk of victimization

That said, the 1 in 5 statistic is laughably hyperbolic

well to make a proper comparison you have to look at the methods you apply on campus to the surrounding city and break it down to the type of incident

for example many include drunk sex

I've never seen a study that included sex while intoxicated

And i've read a number of them

in detroit, the crime rate of the Wayne State university area is a LOT lower than the surrounding city

Well that's obvious

But you have to consider how often sexual violence goes unreported

for both sides

And that crime is a much broader category than sexual violence

?

For both sides???

for the university and the surrounding area

Oh, yeah of course. All I'm saying is that you can't look at crime rates and go, oh so rape is less of a thing on campus then off. Because crime is a very broad category and is confounded by a lot of variables. I think the best way to get at sexual violence rates is to ask people directly with surveys.

1 in 5 is not hyperbolic, its complete bullsh...that would make an american campus more dangerous the congo.

Its far from perfect, but you are way less likely to get false positives then false negatives

i don't lnow a single sane person that defends 1 in 5

@I AM ERROR, Summers is a bit off on that point.

in the congo it's 40% over their LIFETIME not 4-5 years.

That's not why she is off and we have to be clear about what the 1 in 5 claim really is.

i don't know what she says so i can't argue why she is or is not off

and the 1 in 5 claim currently is used for everything from catcalling to rape depending on who you are talking to

I mean you've literally ripped her talking point word for word so that would surprise me. Okay. But the actually 'study' was about sexual misconduct.

She compares that to Congo's rape stats, which is far from apples to apples

catcalling is a microagression

i looked up google where the most rapes occour...

😉

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The survey found that 1,073 women, or 19 percent, said that they experienced attempted or completed sexual assault since entering college. The actual breakdown was that 12.6 percent experienced attempted sexual assault and 13.7 percent experienced actual sexual assault. (There was some overlap.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/05/01/one-in-five-women-in-college-sexually-assaulted-the-source-of-this-statistic/?utm_term=.eb987237232a

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221153.pdf

This a voluntary response study over two universities. It's got a lot of problems but that number includes 'attempted sexual assault' which if memory serves, was far too broadly defined for my liking.

what exactly qualifies as sexual assault?

and why is a survey about sexual assault cited when people are talking about rape

> what exactly qualifies as sexual assault?

The first page of the linked study goes into this in detail

To your second point, Idk, I didn't do that. People are misinformed about this stuff a lot and the politicization doesn't help

i can agree with that

@cmdline that survey literally has the question ```Has someone had sexual contact with you when you were
unable to provide consent or stop what was happening
because you were passed out, drugged, drunk,
incapacitated, or asleep? This question asks about
incidents that you are certain happened. ```

😂

@ping Yes it does, so?

it counts drunk sex...

No, it counts sex where someone is so drunk that they cannot meaningfully conest

It reads stop what was happening because you were drunk

Not, just "were drunk"

no it said unable to provide consent OR stop what's happening
i thought if you are drunk you can't consent

i see the problem with knowing that it happened while being passed out

well no because they can leave evidence and someone could witness

so that part makes sense

Yes but @I AM ERROR is right, there is a small under reporting bias because passed out people might not know they were raped/assaulted

Though it might actaully result in over-reporting from people who are unsure and so think they did. This seems unlikely to me

i don't really care if its under- or over-reported, but i question the accuracy in general

@ping, you can definitely consent while drunk according to this survey. The point is that you can't stop your abuser because you are so intoxicated you can't move and so on. It's definitely a bit of a grey area but nothing as bad as "drunk sex = rape"

wdym

i don't see anything that explains whether or not you can consent while drunk

-sigh- And thus you should assume that you can.

let alone something that was in the final survey

(and just to make it clear: if you sexually abuse/rape someone you are a pos asshole and get locked up for whatever time possible according to the law)

why would i assume something that has a significant impact on the results?