We didn't change any hardware at all, come to think of it.

Just instantly, back to full speed.

I don't doubt it.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Comcast is just widely regarded as being terrible.

But it's almost like the free market system worked.

All the major American ISPs are terrible save for Google and Verizon fiber.

at least, for you.

Not.. really?

It kind of did.

I'd have to actually look at things like contracts etc.

You had shitty service with one company

and you switched to another.

Now

..No I didn't.

Again.

if only we could open the market

I thought you said you switched service.

We went from comcast standard, which was like, 15 down 5 up.

To comcast basic.

Which was 5:1.

Oh.

Back to comcast standard. 15:5.

Again.

We didn't change anything.

We made a phone call.

How many devices sharing that connection?

The Internet went from beyond shittastic to normal within 5 minutes.

okay there must be an explanation lol

Nothing in the network changed.

I think at the time it was 4 devices in total.

Two desktops, two laptops.

mmhmm...

And a couple of other intermittent devices that went on and off as needed.

so, about 1.25 down, .25 up effectively.

Yeah.

Like I said.

That was basic math.

When I was on "basic" what we actually got was over 8 seconds of ping and a 5mb torrent took 2 weeks to finish.

I only remember this stuff so well because I couldn't even go online in games with friends.

But once again, what you're describing there isn't a net neutrality issue.

And a guy I was really wanting to play with died during the Internet downtime.

So that was fun.

You signed up for a different package.

We didn't get what we paid for.

and even then im not going to take an anecdotal experience when I don't have all the necessary info to just change positions when there is a lot of data on the position im currently on

Then again here's the weird thing.

When we paid for the standard 15:5.

We actually got closer to 27:10.

But when we paid for 5:1, we got 0.1:0.01.

First off, comcast is comcastic. But second off, You switched to a lower package. ISPs were doing that even under Net Neutrality.

What you're describing isn't something that Net Neutrality is designed to combat.

there's something sad to me about someone being extremely familiar with their internet speeds.

Also, pretty sure Comcastic is found in the Thesaurus under 'Retarded'

The point really is trust in the ISPs. Net neutrality is, again, a really messy prospect. But the alternative in letting the big corporation ISPs doing whatever the hell they want is far, far uglier in my mind.

Then again this all falls back to "the whole system needs to be completely flipped over."

that's the winning move.

Remove virtual monopoly.

but they can't do whatever they want

they are still *regulated*

things were going fine without NN, you're still buying into the John Oliver tier talking points

Dude, I couldn't make it 30 seconds into that.

And that was the 20..14? edition of that video.

And it's less john oliver and more of people like level1techs.

Who are.. surprisingly libertarians.

Hey WHAT

Any chance you'd let us peruse your google doc?

^

sure

ill just post the links i have in it

https://techpolicycorner.org/net-neutrality-v-title-ii-explained-3ad8d576a50a?gi=d700429c7755
http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~faulhabe/Econ_Net_Neut_Review.pdf
https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=705009006021024104001073069002067110033043005000058070028025100125004021119011090024019049032015010126055087025125015120024108055071011065053094003124022006113007000012008104069025101119113015111074125020067005025006027025029104027029072027115064099&EXT=pdf
https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/168551/1/Yeh-Cheng.pdf

My general point is that the internet thrived without net neutrality rules through the 90s, the naughts, and up until 2014.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w22040.pdf
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/M.D.Tenn_._null_null_0.pdf

@RyeNorth @WHAT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbJBEBZvDNY

This dude actually goes pretty indepth with that.

Including history.

and I have a YT video by 1791L, but I haven't looked through the primary sources yet so I won't post it

And yes, note that in the very first two minutes of the video he explains his inherent distrust of the government.

This is too long to watch rn but I'll try to take a peek at it

I'll listen to it at work. Send me a link in DMs for bookmark's sake

but in general I don't get any info from YT videos because that's not a reliable source

WHAT is generally right, there.

You all still here

like, ya need to get some research papers and primary sources

not a 45 YO neckbeard

a 45 YO neckbeard with cited sources in the description would probably be better than absolutely nothing tho

right

but he doesn't site any

cite

The other alternative.

Is going through the 45 videos he's done discussing it with onetab sources.

I'll give him a fair listen tomorrow at work.

You would think he would put all sources down

It's a livestream.

It's not a produced video, it's a livestream.

you can edit descriptions

it would just be easier is all im sayin

To be fair, we don't know what angle he's taking on this to begin with.

He might cite articles visually.

etc.