Pretty sure it's the same as yours.

Except my point is not going at it from a legislative standpoint.

Legislation creates roadblocks.

that lawsuit was because google was permitted to physically tamper with AT & Ts equipment which was technically illegal

You know this brings to mind a point.

How much crap's been tied to the net neutrality bill by this point?

The fact that the lawsuit stalls a potential competitor doesn't factor in at all?

"The Ordinance thus purports to permit a third party (the Attacher) to temporarily
seize AT&T’s property, and to alter or relocate AT&T’s property, without AT&T’s consent and
with little notice" -from the lawsuit

Because my understanding of it is still "no fast lanes, all data must be treated equally."

Ties into the whole title 2 thing and how major ISPs were cutting people off of certain types of data arbitrarily.

Consider, for a moment, that their 'property' happens to be the cables, where they sit on the line.

are you talking to me @RyeNorth

Yeah.

okay, are you arguing with me orrrrrrr

Vaguely.

`Can we just have a discussion without it being an argument lol`

I don't get what you're trying to say

the lawsuit was filed because a competitor was allowed to tamper with their property without consent

What I'm saying is, the infrastructure as it exists are the power, telephone, and cable lines within a city.

To what degree were they tampering?

possibly seizing and relocating it

Are they referring to the lines?

which could have an affect on AT&Ts services

not the lines I think but certain modules

Because I don't think they could've possibly been relocating their stations or anything like that.

and also the poles themselves are AT&T property

Are they really? Huh.

I'd figure a neutral party would have to be in charge of those, like the city.

Nope.

And that's kind of the problem.

well, yeah.

It's a problem regardless of who owns them

Something something title 2 let them handle the infrastructure, including improvements, which they've basically been slacking on because there's no reason to whatsoever.

or, sorry, i think they own many modules attached to the poles

Like I said

And the companies have gotten so big that the little guy isn't going to be able to bring them down.

5 up

10 down

I'm living in the past.

Net neutrality is definitely ugly, if you don't trust the government.

I don't.

But that's the only patchwork solution we have right now.

and they were concerned because any disruption of their equipment could harm thousands of customers' service

Create a different solution then.

The other option is 5 up 10 down with the threat that you're getting 1 up 2 down for everything that isn't Approved by Comcast™.

Because that's how everything seems to be poised to go.

Either that or them vacuuming up your data because there's no viable alternatives to the big 3.

that's entirely wrong dude

Many of the fears that you have about a lack of control with the FCC

removing net neutrality opens the door to competition and innovation, creating better service

the FTC already handles

abuses were handled before NN was established

and there rarely were abuses

there were like 4 but 3 of them were dismissed in court

ah-ha!

but you admit there WERE abuses!

Ban Fully Automatic Assault ISPs

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Hmmm.

are u kekkin' on me rn fr

/sarcasm

i know vro

GEP what was that

I'm a little behind on the times. Wasn't aware they pushed the FTC as the replacement for net neutrality.

what are u saying vro

It was never pushed

it always existed.

FTC is the federal trade commission

I may have cited the wrong organization...

They've been doing a really shit job of it then.

are u kekkin'?

The warranty stickers thing was a great step in the right direction but their handling of ISPs has been shit at best.

uhhhm no

they're doing fine

Yeah. Artificial speed limits when there's no issues with throughput are totally great for the end consumer.

dude you are living in fantasy land

I can understand slowdown if there's huge amounts of data going all at the same time.

go read a huffpost article

5000ms and sub 1mb up/down because you weren't paying enough at the time.

And 20 or 30 phone calls doing nothing.

that is false

That ain't right.

I'm speaking from personal experience.

:okliberal:

Few years back on comcast. Parents stopped paying for the good service and went for the basic 5:1 service.

OH. JEEZE. IT JUST GOT REALLY ADHOM IN HERE.

Ain't that the fucking truth.

But yeah. They paid for the basic service. It was still comcast and it should've been 5:1.

calm down @RyeNorth lol

So we got 0.1:0.01 instead.

It was a great time. Couldn't do anything. A basic 5mb torrent took two weeks to finish.

Comcast is a whole 'nother animal.

I'd like to see what was going on there

Comcast is just another ISP.

Well again.

It was only while we were paying for basic service.

Comcast is ~~just another~~ The Only ISP.

My mother eventually gave up because I kept complaining and the moment she switched services it went right back to being totally perfect with pings below 10ms.

Just flipped a switch.

We didn't even change modems.