Especially with idiots on „the left“ that have a total lack anything even resembling empathy.

Emotion is a motivator,

But just because you're upset doesn't mean you're right, nor should have priority over logic

If you‘re upset and make a decision based on that... you‘re probably wrong.

nah thats not true

If a person swinging a knife, or firing his gun around makes me upset
and i leave the area due to that, its not a wrong idea 😛

but the thing is that is a logical response too

"the left" just doesn't have logic, they just believe that the level of being upset somehow overrides reasoning

I‘m anti gun... not because „think of the children“, but because it is easier to defend yourself from someone who does NOT have a gun... (don’t want to get into it, just an example of logic vs emotion 😉 )and yeah your example is not right because emotion but because logic

I've been over the 'no gun' debate way too many times now to bring forth the typical arguments, myself. lol

the main reasoning behind having guns though,

Is to level the playing field against someone that has more in his arsenal

say you're a scrawny asian woman of 4 ft 5, weighing like 50 kilos
and some 6 ft guy with well over 90 kilos wants to rob you

or someone who has a gun and you're in a locked down area so you can't escape

Well... its better to remove guns from the equation alltogether than to have the bigger arsenal... but again... not going into it now... too much emotion, not enough logic in that topic.

because the issue behind legality of a gun is no concern of a criminal

Norway has gun laws, that didn't stop Anders Breivik from mowing down 40+ children

Except you can't do that. There is no "nobody has guns" option.

it didn't stop those terrorists in france

its like "murder is illegal" too

and i know where you're coming from, i "ideally" wouldn't want guns in a society either,

But since its not impossible to get a gun, realistically i can't have the ideal anymore

Yeah, I would rather they didn't exist.

But they do.

I should have used another example 😩

It's alright lol, there aren't very many anti-gun examples to choose from.

I mean for logic vs emotion

Oh, I don't know much about that.

I do know that an emotional response is also a part of our survival instinct.

Logically i'm okay with guns for leveling the playing field
Emotionally, I want a gun so i can kill anyone i've crossed to the point where i'd fear they'll want to retaliate against me
for Pre-venge

cuz thats what Emotions really boil down to

One last thing about guns... the idea that there is „common sense gun laws“ that improve the situation in the US is complete bullshit. Everything you could do will only serve to arm criminals.

"me me me"

Or civil war...

common sense gun laws are just an appeal to emotion,

Yeah... the emotion of „think of the children“ (which usually gets a „why? What are you hiding?“ from me)

its common sense in the middle east to rape girls if they don't dress "modestly" enough,
So if you go with "Just use common sense" then cultures will clash

Well, it is funny people speak of "common sense" gun laws as if they are a self-explanatory thing, yet when asked they can't name a single provision.

its because there isn't any such provisions, "Common sense" is subjective,

Right-wingers think its common sense to work for your share
Left-wingers think its common sense that as long as you work (at anything) you deserve as much as anyone that works an equal amount of time

Christians think its common sense to pray to god
Atheists think its common sense to be a nice guy that finishes last

You'd be surprised how many people don't know that automatic weapons are already banned in the US, for the most part.

thats because many don't know what "semi-automatic" means, they just go with that meme of a feminist reading somethign that has the word "man" in teh sentence and get triggered

Common sense? Weapons are made for killing, killing is illegal so weapons should be illegal. So repeal the second, and ignore the fact that criminals will not give up any guns and will be further armed by a thriving black market.

i agree! back to swords and maces!

😛

but yes you're absolutely right

And again, with the "well just call the police" argument, I would normally ask what if they don't show up on time. With the Parkland shooting I now get to ask, "what if the police don't do anything?"

but thats my take on pretty much every single "leftist" argument nowadays, its literally like they took a valid Issue, and cut out the last 50% of it

Emotion says „guns bad“, logic says „no guns worse because bo guns not happening“

People being offended is bad, but it breeds strength and you can't "never offend" anyone

Gun violence can quickly escalate, but if you make guns illegal, criminals can still use them so you'd disarm citizens

Censorship can help against stupid ideas, but censorship can also prevent good ideas from being spread

Child labor is a bad thing, but the alternative is that they have to find other more terrible means to survive in those countries (prostitution etc)

You always have to think of the consequences and side effects more than of what you are actually trying to achieve... and thats not really intuitive when you are guided by emotion.

You can‘t not offend.

Slavery is the worst thing ever, but maybe you shouldn't be buying that Apple phone, and starbucks latte used with african beans

😛

Even just doing/saying nothing can be offensive.

Just be sure to stay out of the UK when you say something on the internet... they jail people for wrongthink.

well, they cant get me if i'm anonymous! 😛

You really think you are anonymous on the internet?

to be fair, i used to think NO i'm not

but secret services thinking that everything is russia now despite no evidence etc, has led me to believe i can get away with it

simply because modern "civil protection" is getting incompetent

like uhm

in holland here

last month, the ING bank website got DDossed for a day

I don't think the actually believe that it's Russia. I think they're just using that as a scapegoat.

and secret services said it was russia

turns out it was a local 18 year old boy that did it for "the lulz"

Well... the media mafia on the other hand is really good at abusing laws to find people.

well i've never openly stated my identity on any open forums etc, that was connected to my nicknames Jayred or Dr.Wol

so if they find out, they'll have gotten that info from some company that has said they'd protect my privacy, which means i can sue

There is a difference between the public statements of secret services and their secret information 😁

Not if they invoke anti-terrorism laws.

Which, as indicated now by the UK, is possible.

i'm not gonna sue the state, i'm gonna sue said company for violating my privacy

Good luck with that 😁

and you are right Falko, there is,

But it doesn't do them good if they accuse a foreign power, and in the process ruin their reputation by it being discovered that their source and statement was false

Well... it‘s EU so... you might actually have luck with it 😁

i'd rather do it under US laws, EU laws don't value privacy

then again, i might be able to say i'm offended

Offense laws apply in EU now

"I'm offended" doesn't work if you're white.

i got mistaken for a Turkish person this very week

And male.

i pass off as a pale muslim 😛

And straight.

i'll just use the muslim card, i have a midterranian face/haircolor to make it work

Maybe.

I don‘t know the EU laws specifically... i do however know how ridicoulus the privacy laws in germany are... it‘s basically imposdible to be in compliance with them 😁

well german laws are fluid 😛

its a crime to claim you're a nazi

but acting like a nazi (antifa) is protected by the state

Antifa is not orotected by the state

not officially

Wut?

during that G20 thing, Antifa was pretty much given free reign

Black block is literally illegal in germany.

Yeah, and so is going around in massive rape gangs.

Well... G20 was somewhere between hilarious and fucking scary 😁

yes

and it was allowed to happen

It was bound to happen the moment they annonced that G20 would be in Hamburg...

exactly, so why didn't they take the necessary precautions?

... and guaranteed when they allowed „welcome to hell“ to happen where it did.

Because olaf scholz is an idiot.

Oh come on lol, you know why it was allowed to happen.

A blind eye is given to Antifa in a lot of cases.

I know exactly what happened and why. Have you seen the videos of the burning cars? One of those was approx 200m from my old Kindergarten. Believe me i know exactly what happened.