*loads tear gas* yeah you better run lol

That's why you put scanners along the border

You know the exact location of entry

It makes it easier to track them down

codes the manpower to enforce the scanners is vastly more expensive than the wall

scanners, and then a bunch of people to catch them. Everyday

Sounds like jobs too me

fair point

but

more taxes

Sorry, so what's the opposition to the wall then?

and if more taxes on borders less for welfare

in Communist China, digging and filling the same hole was a _job_

Drop social security and taxes would go down even with that system

for clarity: social security in the usa is the medicade/care stuff right?

No

get a load of this, he is in favor of welfare for unemployment, but against social security

It's a type of retirement fund

ahh state pension

No

yes

Pensions are only for certain police and military

if its a retirement fund paid for by the state its defacto a state pension

does it pay for other things?

Well maybe

Officially? No

Unofficially? Its pays for everything

so in the UK we have had state pensions for 110 years now

and its bankrupt

same for the rest of Europe

I have to pay in but will not be able to get a pension

Yeah, SS is going bankrupt too

A state pension that, like all state pensions, was never funded and therefore is paid like a Ponzi scheme

Actually SS was funded

Keyword was

SS? as in the historical peoples of germanic origin?

No

oh social security

sorry

its called national insurance here

Hold on, so why can retirees get fucked but not people who get fired for doing a shit job?

indeed

Well, I think that we need to ease off it

They can't work anymore in many cases. How do you ease off?

If your over a certain age, you keep paying in

@Beemann someone finally pushes the same point I did

If your under you drop it

honestly Codes I used to think the same about welfare. then I got educated on lots of things and it opened my mind

By that guy who, you would only not suck off because you dont want to cheat?

Wait, why should I pay into a system for benefits I will never see? You pay for the current set of retirees, not yourself

about heal insurance, "free" health care, economics, human psychology

Why should I get fucked over by this easing off?

I mean, if you keep paying then its because you are too old to start funding your own retirement

it makes you realise that no matter now nice a policy is it probably wont look anything like the original idea in execution

So you still get benefits

Milton Friedman had a solution here

and will hurt more than it helps

Until everyone is off it or dead

Convert all outstanding social security liabilities to federal bonds.

@Atkins thats actually not a bad idea. i'd be interested to lean a bit on that. it in a book or a lecture?

lean? learn

The other guy people suck off

Eww

>anyone who gets referenced gets sucked off

@Atkins I actually heard that from him too

but it won't happen

we have very different idea of what asucking off means i think

Blowjob

https://youtu.be/UlNxIc9gUMc?t=699

thanks!

love that the channel is called "BasicEconomics"

Dude probably sucks them off too

holy crap @Atkins thats so simple and logical

@Cody you probably suck off Karl Marx, and he wouldn't pay you for it

Like honestly, I am not about that authority life

Doing this bond conversion scheme would make the accounting work, would give everyone what they've been promised, and would allow for a clean and simple way to shut the program down without anyone getting shorted.

BUT

I go my own way

Karl Marx gets ducked off by commies

Gross

It would be a pretty hefty expansion of the money supply.

So here's the thing that concerns me. Currently the economy in the west is geared toward disincentivizing saving, to the point where regulatory intervention and speculative purchases are needed to retain value. What do we do about retirement going forward? Depend on those systems and hope they don't go tits up?

That expansion is going to happen regardless, but this makes it overt.

Well, that's a tough question

Instead of just borrowing and borrowing for bigger and bigger deficits, printing money though the fed.

But I wont go duck off some dudes

Codes is obcessed about sucking dick

Codes, you a bit insecure in your sexuality? you keep making all these references. im just wondering

Yeah, I get it

You like Sowell cock

I know

rofl

Dont worry

I dont blame you

It must be fairly fucking large

Too fixated on getting laid

well he is black and steriotypes exist for a reason

I'm not insecure

It's become a source of projection

I'm completely open in being bisexual