im not denying that living codditions have some affect on IQ.
but IQ is mostly heritable.

Correlation does not mean causation but how can your stat prove it's not social, but instead biological

Intelligence has a 40-50% genetic basis. Source: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/10/news/la-heb-genetic-study-intelligence-20110809

@Jasse NO

Jasse interests me, purely because most people like him just fucking call me a jew and the either block or send threats to me

its doesn't

you already blocked me 😂

ITS ASSUME 50/50 for the nature nurture debate.

I did?

Interesting

oh you unbloced me.

its easy to tell. if i cant add emotes to your comments im bloced.

> Black children raised in White households have similar IQ scores to Black children in Black households. Source: http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1977-07996-001

> Because the social variables accounted for a substantial portion of the IQ variance among black/ interracial adoptees, it is likely that IQ performance is malleable within the range of existing environ- ments. If all black chilren had environments such as those provided by the adoptive families in this study, we would predict that their IQ scores would be 10-20 points higher than the scores are under current rearing conditions.

> not reading papers you post

kek

it was behind a pay wall....

its 11.95 for a article from 1976

>not undersadning what paper actually says.
gap is still the same.
if all whites had been raised in same conditions as in that test the same IQ gab would still exist.

if 20 points higher is similar :^)

@DanteMenace https://sci-hub.tw/ learn it, love it

any reason why its in russian?

because chick who's responsible for it is from a former soviet republic

Jasse, the paper is saying that while base IQ might be biological, the actual growth of IQ is based on environmental factors

Such as what you've learned, etc..

But he's say that base level makes them dumb

IQ is highly genetic.

saying

IQ isn't genetic

There have been many, many studies on this subject, but several twin studies were particularly relevant here.

IQ is about >80% genetic.

could be to some degree, to some degree not worrying about getting shanked in the hood is probably responsible for it as well :^)

I bet they are all within like 5 to 10 points right?

It also resists influences from the environment, apart from extreme conditions of abuse and manourishment.

wait, are ppl trying to deny IQ isn't highly genetic?

lel

The heritability of IQ reaches .8 (80%) in later adulthood. Source: http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v20/n1/full/mp2014105a.html

IQ has been moved about 5 points, with a lot of investment, but even that effect has been shown to taper off quickly.

I'm not arguing that, jasse is saying that becuase it is genetic, blacks are stupid

*all* blacks are stupid

On average, they are less intelligent, yes.

he said it in general

And on average "my group" is less intelligent than East Asians.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Stupid, no less intelligent

not all. as i said befor its called bell curve

that doesn't mean you can't find a black guy with high IQ

Downright stupid?

I don't know how to define that. Give me a number on the IQ scale.

Exactly

I'd probably say 85.

yeah but if you put black people in a home that has a "white up bringing" they will be 5-20 points higher pointing them at the same points of whites

Especially since IQ does not = intelligence

12 IQ points are one standard deviation.

so maybe white upbringing makes white kids smart

One of my cousins is down right retarded if judges by iq

and asian upbringing makes kids even smarter

But can fix and build pretty much whatever you ask him too

68% of a bell curve is within one standard deviation of the mean.

it's just like saying that there's more intelligent men than women. Which is true, given that women have less variance on IQ. (of course, that also means there's more dumb men than women too)

I would say that about 15% are "stupid", i.e. more than one standard deviation below mean.

http://cfcc.edu/faculty/cmoore/Empirical_Rule_files/image001.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cTRr0B5Cp8k/hqdefault.jpg

Sorry, one standard deviation is 15, not 12.

That is why I must have been thinking of 85.

IQ is hardly a tool to judge intelligence

It's actually the best tool we have.

I'm gonna save that quote

http://puu.sh/BXL7M.jpg

Again I got a cousin who would score 20 on an IQ test, but can build pretty much anything

it will be useful in the future

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Usually the G factor in the IQ is very predictive, to about the same degree for the skills we know it predicts.

So, it is rare to see that two people that both have about the same IQ score very differently on the language and/or math portion of the test.

It does happen, though, that the distribution is a bit different, so the sub scores differ.

So, maybe the skill distribution is a bit different in rare cases, but in general it applies

I dont see how?

Math and language dont get you money

Well, by measuring large numbers of people.

To the tune of millions that have been tested.

Wait, money?

Why are we talking about money now?

Actors make money.

My cousin makes a ton of money, but he's as dumb as a fucking brick

Singers make money.

@Undead Mockingbird @Jasse under that assumption that what you guys have said is true that black people are 15 IQ lower then the avg. White person, would you use that to justify any law or practices?

No.

So if IQ was the only standard how come he can make money?

I am strictly in favor of meritocracy.

Also, note that I never said that the value of a person should hinge on their IQ.

Thats why I ask

Jasse did

you have people with extreme high IQ that are poor

@DanteMenace apparently it is in educaion. blacks need way lower score to get in school. and asians need way higher score to get in.

A singer doesn't need to be that intelligent. I am not saying that it hurts, but you primarily make money with your voice.

high IQ doesn't mean you will succeed

Right.

but it is still the major factor to predict success

@Jasse Thats not the question, would you make policy and laws based off of black peoples lower IQ

Intelligent people might be more driven, in general, but you can also have a high IQ and be very lazy.