I'm sure they've heard it.

Democrats would throw it in the trash, only way the facts would come to the light is give it to them.

I doubt they are changing votes based on it either.

They care about the perception and the response from the voters.

Another of the right's big weaknesses. Assuming hierarchy is respected.

Or that the people at the top are going to actually fight for them.

do you think the majority of people on the right believe that?

No.

But then you've got the actual targets of these campaigns.

People like Olympia Snow of Maine

And, to be frank, the Dems are winning with women.

And that impacts lawmakers everywhere.

Why do you think that is, that they are winning with women?

Polling. Composition of protests. People I talk to.

Why do you think they aren't.

And don't just attack the messenger either.

I want an argument.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/12/opinions/hungary-sanctions-article-7-verhofstadt-opinion/index.html?no-st=1536921202 so uh

this happened

I meant, the reason behind why they are winning, not the reason for thinking they are winning.

You're deflecting.

wat

me?

not deflecting, waiting for a proper response

i honestly had to check to make sure that wasn't a parody site

Is it their message? The advertising strategy? etc.

@Paradox I stated exactly why there is reason to believe they are winning with women.

You're just saying "you haven't given evidence"

I said, here's my evidence, where's your's.

You haven't answered my question.

You seem to be missing my question

And saying "trusting polling in 2018, lul" is putting your hands in your ears and not refuting anything. Particularly when I listed other resons.

And you are missing mine.

ya, but i asked mine first and then you responded to something else....

i didn't ask

If you want "what are they going to the dems for" I think that's pretty obvious. #MeToo.

Now answer mine.

I don't.

That's not an argument.

You haven't said any reasons I should believe you.

Going to the Dems for what exactly?

Voting habits. Partisan loyalty.

I never made a claim.

Yes you did.

I was curious about your claims

The DNC inspires many things and none of them is loyalty.

@Paradox fine. Whatever. But then you would agree that the Dems are winning with women?

Yes.

but my reaosn is because women are stupid

@devpav the left is more than the dems. But the dems are the party of the left.

I was hoping for a better reason

That's rather judgemental.

The Dems are only winning non-white women.

exaclty why i was curious for your reason, lol

@devpav Uh, what? Have you looked at any poling?

They are winning women, particularly young women overwhelmingly.

You still trust polling after 2016?

That's not an argument.

Yes, it is.

No it's not. You're just denying it says anything useful.

Opinion polls are propaganda.

And I have more reason than just polling to believe it's correct.

So the internal polls are just propaganda so strategists can launch multimillion dollar campaigns on bad information?

What internal polls are you referring to?

The polling companies are not trying to build trust among people who launch marketing and political campaigns.

The parties have internal polling.

@Rabbi Shekels Jim is a hack.

The polls released to the media are propaganda.

@Scribblehatch you spelled sargon wrong

@devpav there's plenty of internal polls for marketing companies if you know where to look.

Why were you pretending to be a Sargon supporter in your comment?

Okay, where do I look for internal polls?

im still subbed to sargon but hes a hack

@devpav You still haven't even addressed why the polling would suggest dems aren't winning with women.

I'm done. This board is mostly stupid.

No you're not.

I've found the smart people worth talking with.

White women voted for Trump in 2016.

2016 was 2 years ago.

Stuff changes.

This is concern trolling.

This is "Dude... I'm a fan... And this is too far"

This is trying to throw out a dishonest illusion.

The Dems haven't gotten more sane in 2 years.

Doesn't mean they haven't made gains with women

You think he's a hack. You think he's better than this.
CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS.

"concern trolling" is bullshit

The GOP has made gains with women, too.

No it hasn't.

Atkins, concern trolling is when someone says "You used to be cool.." When they never held that opinion ever.

Where's your source?

@Scribblehatch I know your trolling me also

This isn't trolling, this is attacking.

"Same thing" No.

Why would anyone argue with you about that issue? I think it's more important to know why they are winning. Is it feminism? Abortion? Death of Religion? Peer pressure? Etc.

Dems have lost big among white millennials.

I don’t know about the gains claim but women tend to lean left.

according to peterson, yes. because they are more agreeable

I like Sargon. I like Metokur. I think their feud is retarded. Am I a concern troll? Or do I not like what I say I like because I'm some sort of double-agent?

@Paradox I told you, it's #MeToo. If you want to go further, yeah sure, death of religion and peer pressure may have played a part too. You're just denying my statements at this point.

Single women lean left because the government is the only husband they have.

The left is more about nurturing/emotion.

@devpav I want to see your evidence on this.

You're just making claims.

What statements? I've agreed with the one statement, that they are winning.

Can someone explain to me what that new video was about? The Thinkery vid. I don't know anything about who that was or to what exactly about Sargon he was talking about.

@Paradox That it's #MeToo.

I said that earlier and then you just repeated your "you aren't answering me" defense.

I don't think that's big enough, but it's likely a factor, that plays in with women's rights (abortion), feminism, etc.

Fair point.

It's a big virtue signal circle jerk

So now what?

kill 50% of the female population?

I was using the winning with women as a point on how and why the Kavanaugh allegations are meant to drive Dem turnout at the polls.

That's not a solution.

well it is, just not likely...

#MeToo wouldn't have anything to do with Harvey Weinstein and Eric Schneiderman and Keith Ellison, would it?

OK. It's not an acceptable solution.

It did. But it was always aimed at Trump.

And it build a sense of solidarity.

How about we just enforce the standard of 'innocent until proven guilty' like we used to do when we were sane?

So Sargon and whoever Mister Metokur is have a feud of some kind???

@Atkins Haha. Yeah, that never happened. Remember the Scarlet Letter?

Instead of 'guilty whenever someone makes an accusation without physical evidence'/

The party of protection for its own serial sexual offenders is targetting Trump. Right.

The court of law and public opinion are different places.

Well, I would agree that a number of women will likely believe it and let it get them emotional enough to motivate them to vote.

@devpav No one said the narrative had to be correct.

However, I would say that number isn't very high.

Only that it serves as effective propoaganda.

Which was my original point.

You live in a bubble.

As does basically everyone here.

Call him dumb now.

Me?

Go on.

You want to.

not very high =/= effective. Hmm...

Not Paradox.

Agreed? Midterms are decided at the margins on turnout.

The only part about #MeToo that I don't understand is this clause that forces Democrat women who get sexually abused by Democrat men to shut up and take it for the team.

@Paradox I think were's agreeing more than disagreeing at this point.

I thought we were from the beginning, but you said I was denying something so wanted to find out what i was denying, lol...

@devpav Because it goes after Trump. And He's an asshole. Or so everyone says.

@Vesdii sargon is butthurt that metokur made fun of his suit

@Paradox fair. I misnintrepreted what you said, sorry. I've gotten into a few too many fights here with people who utterly deny basic facts based on stuff that happened 2 years ago.

So sargon threatened to dox metokur

As I am with Devpav.

🤔

So these Dem women know how expendable they are to fellow Dems, and they will just accept it because Trump?

@pratel I don't need to win, i am usually just curious.

@Vesdii the killstream will be talking about it in ten minutes

@Paradox the right way to be. And again, I apologize if I jumped to conclusions.

??

https://youtu.be/yZ13tSJgxWk

@devpav yes? Basically?

That's what I've gotten talking to people.

O shit James my boi

That's insane.

It's not like Trump is exactly the most respectable guy in the world. It's his abrasiveness that appeals to alot of his base.

@Vesdii yeah prettt much

But it doesn't appeal to everyone.

@devpav not everything makes logical sense.

And it's not just women who act that way.

And it's not like there wasn't an anti-trump subtext in the whole #MeToo thing.

I remember when Sargon and Allsup had those back and forth videos about each other lol

Trump has had his "grab 'em by the pussy" remark floating around since the campaign.

Like within 2 days

Lmao ^^

Grab em by the tariff

Watching Tim's Kavanuagh video now. He's being really naive.

Now you know how it feels talking to most people on the right.

Atleast the ones who haven't been to deep blue states.

And lived there.

@devpav you can also make the argument that the democratic party "cleaned up" whereas the Republicans under DeVos have been "removing protections against campus rape" in repealing Title IX. The narrative makes sense if you've been primed to believe that he Republicans are secret women haters who have closet rapists and anti-women forces in their midst (Trump and Roy Moore -- and now they want to lump in Kavanaugh somehow)

I am so sick of the accusation after accusation by the left. They are coming off as hell-bent on their vendetta against anyone who has any ties to Trump. It could be his distant cuz who is twice removed from the family and they still will go after that person, fishing for any crime to bring them down.

Now i wonder what a deep red state feels like, having lived in California basically my whole life

@Dusty Morgan Welcome to politics!

pratel could you set your condescension at maybe a 6? you're on 8-9 now.

@Vesdii Imagine not dodging ANTIFA everywhere you walk. Actually seeing an NRA bumper sticker every so often...

Seriously there should be a law written to make fishing for crimes illegal, that is invasion of privacy!

Its like in soccer. If you cant go for the ball, go for the player.

just dial it back a little

TV + Headphones > TV+ Monitors

Needless to say I'd feel safer 😅

Actually Deep Red states are mostly peaceful.

@Atkins by default I now assume sexual accusation against republicans/ right leaning people are lies unless I see evidence or they admit it

@Atkins Alright. Sorry, I've been getting really frustrated recently.

You come down here, people treat you with respect and are kind people.

Alot of people on this censorship thing.

They actually do what they preach.

Hol up I didn't hear Sargon threaten a dox

Link?

Looks like the Dems are now desperate enough to use their Roy Moore stunt every single time since they believe it works.

I'm one of those guys who the NRO article that was passed around here was aimed at. And having to dodge all sorts of stuff you wouldn't imagine.

@devpav I mean, it did. They did win Alabama.

@DOGASS it was vague but the kiwi farms he had on his prestream had it in the description

NRO=?

National Review Online

The GOP establishment campaigned hard against Roy Moore, though.

Neatly Real Oklahoman

>.>

NRO

@DOGASS https://youtu.be/iOd_aVQzfoM

Getting your enemies to fight each other is more effective then attacking them head on

My lefty mom didn't know that cars kill more people than guns lol

@Vesdii Make your way down to a red state and you will find a culture that is peaceful, everyone gets along, and there is no racism involved. The only racism today are from the left sadly and they don't see it.

Pretty much.

Really disappointed in Tim for presuming Kavanaugh is guilty of something.

And people *actually* care for each other and *look past race*

Me to Atkins... innocent until proven guilty.

Well... My friend who lives in Alabama tells me there's still racism, usually subtle, there.

@Atkins But that's how most people work. And Tim can think what he wants.

Be skeptical of any sexual assault claims or any criminal accusations for that matter.

Hasn't he made several videos about false rape accusations?

If you go on guilty till proven innocent, that leads to people loosing everything before they are proven innocent.

I think everyone is a lil racist , the left is just open about it

Destroying their live sin the process.

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lol

Contro... the left are in super denial that they are racist.

The Kavanaugh accusation when i heard about it *immediately* sounded like total bullshit to me

Exactly @Dusty Morgan

Wasn't his name already public though?

@Vesdii i think the kav accusation is stupid and ridiculous

It is so freaking obvious how racist they are, but yet they deny it and deflect it onto Republicans.

And my mom was sitting next to me and she immediately went "OF COURSE HE DID"

🙃

Deflect it on the party that was latterly made to abolish slavery and give rights to them!

Wtf ^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbOCFZWXvX0&t=10s

@Atkins I can't DM you. But you need more than "there were false rape accusations in the past" if you want to make a point.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/09/kavanaugh-accuser-comes-forward/

oof

Any accusation ....welo must be tru hur dur

At this rate the Dems are going to be completely spent before RBG keels over.

Hmm, do you have to have raped to be a rapist?

@devpav political mobilization is not a fixed resource.

@Paradox idk ask asia argento

I mean emotionally spent.

The more you mobilize, the more resources you get.

That's the idea.

Anger drives polls.

Break down people's sense of emotional self and you have putty.

Imagine cucking your brother lmao

And anger on the right is going to confirm Kavanaugh.

After first I didn't want the Democrat party to be destroyed because I believe single party government is bad, but right now I want their utter destruction.

And that's bad.