It's been really heartening to see all the protests going on in Iran against mandatory hijab and things like public dancing. Those are some brave people.

If Iran's demographics are anything like Saudi Arabia's the mullahs are on borrowed time.

Their power base is going to die of old age soon.

But there's also a massive economic component. Iran's economy is awful and the government is spending what little money they have on foreign military expenditures that do nothing to help anyone anywhere.

How is sending drones and missiles and shit to Syria helping someone in Iran find a job and put food on the table? Their unemployment is double digits.

rofl i like the hick in the audience nodding. "i totally get it now that gumballs are involved"

I wonder how widespread the protests in Iran would be if they didn't get the $100B in frozen assets back.

While I like the gumball demonstration for the visual clarity it gives a discussion of numbers and rates of change, there's an issue there that's not being discussed. All those people in developing nations, if they were to achieve the kind of prosperity we have, would also be using resources at the rate we are and polluting at the rate we are. Most likely they would do so even faster during the transition period.

@Timcast hey tim I just want to say that you have a nice fireplace and I was hella mirin it in your latest video. Can you livestream making smores?

Elevating people out of poverty is a noble goal, but nobody thinks of the environmental impact.

I agree. As an engineering student I wouldn't leave my country, only exception would be a love interest otherwise I would stay here and do my part to improve what I can

Environmental impact will be there whether they're producing for export or producing for themselevs.

Might as well be for themselves

Hard to have much environmental impact on like $2 a day.

Is it true that people outside of the US/Canada don't eat S'mores, and how can they live that way?

x however many million the gumballs represented? i'd say thats a lot

I was looking through the comments of a Gavin McInnes video.

What happens if all those gumballs want cars? Or air conditioning?

I don't like smores. Graham crackers kind of suck

And good god that man has not done very well to denounce his alt right. It's clear he isn't one himself, but he won't deny their patronage.

I argue with his fans and they are aware of none of his positions.

They'd have to make more than 2 bucks a day

I think Gavin subscribes to the "no denouncement will ever be enough" school of thought.

So he doesn't really try.

@Timcast nice new set, hope the echo is fixed with more furniture

If he did he'd spend every second of air time denouncing the alt right and none putting out his message.

gavin doesnt seem like the type to suffer fools with an apology every time he does a video

Here's a sort of video that Milo has, that Gavin doesn't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywmd8kR-AmI

I don't really like the guy and I think he's incoherent but I understand why he wouldn't bother denouncing anyone.

It's the same school of thought as Lauren Southern and the Molymeme. Their opponents are never going to listen to a denoucement and say "well I guess they aren't nazis so we can't ever accuse them of being nazis ever again"

Southern is way more likeable

But on this specific issue, she's probably the worst.

She never says *anything.*

That would distinctly bother the alt right.

In a way that feels like she avoids it on purpose.

Its not like the left would take her in if she did

Gavin very well may avoid it completely by accident.

She has said she's not with the alt right, but her friends are obviously

She's not going to denounce them

Like most political ideologies, some of their points are good ones

Her friends are..?

News to me. Whom?

Britney pettibone and her bf, the guy from europa

I don't understand how anyone who loathes identity politics can turn around participate in it themselves.

Being born in a place where my ancestors exterminated the natives I have some sympathy for native Europeans wanting to try to preserve their cultural identity and control of their nations.

I'm really getting sick of the term "cultural identity"

It feels like a term that can mean two very different things at a moment's notice.

And one of them is "race" quite sneakily.

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Well, is it OK for say, the Cherokee to want to preserve their cultural identity?

No.

If it means race, no.

I love how the BBC criticised Hungary for closing their borders in interest of preserving their culture

I speak quite plainly on this subject. What couldn't you give to an adopted child?

Because its possible to, you yourself, have an identity and then not prescribe to a different identity so not want that one to usurp yours.

Does identity EVER have anything to do with ideas?

So the extermination of native American tribes is no different from Europe's past wars?

@Scribblehatch Feminism

If the identity isn't an idea, then I don't give the slightest shit.

I think it always has to do with ideas. Because it has to do with culture... your ideas depend on your culture.

Well culture isn't just ideas

What else?

It's also traditions

Rituals

Well, yeah, but those are parts of an identity

How is that different?

Traditions and rituals are ideas.

Well

On the day you're born, can you be permanently barred from a culture?

If so, fuck whatever idea of culture it is.

How do you get barred from a culture

Race.

Where

Oooh you mean the cultural appropriation kind of culture

That'd be what I'm attacking.

The racial angle to this nonsense.

You'd be attacking nothing, then.

I'm trying to thinking about cultures that are dependent on race

I argued with a Gavin fan on the cherokee thing specifically.

Oh wait

I think I got one

Only he was bringing up race.

American African

"You wouldn't want to see your race die, would you?!"

Culture

But they grow up in a culture that doesn't bar them at birth, nor does it care what they do.

The hip hop, ghetto culture that you need to be black to participate in, I suppose

Good for them, then.

So they don't discriminate by race. I'm glad.

My brother in law is native American. He doesn't have a right to a culture?

Other than that, I can't think of others

Now if you grew up black in a rural chinese town, or white and blonde in a pakistani village..

.. Notice how sneaky Atkins worded that just now?

What are you talking about fella?

sneaky?

I'm honestly trying to understand you dude.

"Doesn't HE have the right to a culture?" What, of people that look like him? What ARE you talking about?

These dark names are fucking gay.

Okie

>you forgot the meme arrows shiv

>I want to
>Swallow cyanide

Am I doing it right mom

I'm trying to figure out whether native American tribes like the Cherokee are fundamentally the same or different from indo-European groups.

Does one being white matter?

I want race not to matter, at all.

Bad example, but look at islamic culture

They don't care about race

I want there to be no bonuses or penalties to race.

They admit anyone

So I can declare myself Cherokee?

I don't see why not. You can choose to participate in Cherokee rituals

But if you mean classifying yourself as a Cherokee ethnically, no

But Cherokee is an ethnicity.

Not really

Let ne use another example

Tell the Cherokee that.

No, what I mean is you are not understanding me

If it's an ethnicity that wants to exist because ethnicity, it can go fuck off.

And I'd say it to its face.

There are rituals, morals and traditions the Cherokee have followed

So genocide and ethnic cleansing are not crimes to you?

I don't think the people who you hate have ideas far from yours, scribble. Look at Tommy Robinson. He's not a racist, just hates shariah islam because of experience with it. People in hungary, polland, etc.. they're all resisting immigration and you might think it's racist because they're making sure black and brown people don't enter, but they likely dont care what color they are, but if they share their culture

"So what you're saying is"

Shit you got me, I'm for genocide.

No, dick.

Anyone should be allowed to participate in those

But

I'm against people who will only mingle with their same race.

You can't classify yourself as an ethnic cherokee

That should not factor into your decision *whatsoever*

Old age is not a genocide.

The guy is my best friend ffs.

But also, we should be allowed to do that as a freedom we have? lol

Another example in the Dravidian people

Anyone of any race can come and participate in our culture

Have the SJWs demoralized some of you so much..?

I think you're seeking out an unattainable utopia there, scribs.

"What's wrong with being exclusive to your own race no matter what?!"

.. Plenty's wrong.

You can't have freedom and then not freedom because reasons

Learn bharatanatyam, have our food, learn the music

It's not right just because it's legal.

I'm not arresting, I'm browbeating.

I'm namecalling and dropping crass words.

Scribble's point is just that culture shouldn't be exclusive to a race

I don't see any problem with that

Yes.

I'd say it's wrong if it's a conscious decision you're making. Less wrong, but still wrong if it's a purely subconscious bias, and fine if it's just happenstance

Imagine extending these principles to hair color, eye color, and left/right handedness.

Or blood type

A lot of cultures are going to vehemently disagree with that. Mainland Chinese will tell you to your face that you'll never be Chinese.

It shouldn't, but what if it is because of whatever reason someone wants to give? Again thats a personal freedom afforded to those in western culture

Not just race anymore. All those things as well. That's the culture.

@Atkins *should* not *is*

I swear the SJWs have done so much damage.

People won't even admit it.

That same logic gets on my nerves, its like the trans kids saying lesbians are bigots cuz they won't date them lol

We're here now. It's bonkers.

Just because it's a freedom I'm willing to allow of others it doesn't mean it's something we have to be OK with

B-b-but its the right thing to do, so date me

No disagreement there @Scribblehatch

I should say I'm just tuning into this hornets nest.

I think there's alot of miscommunication and yelling happening.

This kind of logic is how we get trans-black men changing their gender to female to get a deal on car insurance.

No one is trying to force people to associate with others here, but prejudice is fucked up regardless

and get a lesbian date.

If you just happen to only know white people and such, nothing's wrong.

Happenstance is totally fine.

Prejudice is a human charactaristic.

It always will be.

So is violence

That doesn't make it fine.

Y'know what else is a human characteristic? Nudity.

It makes it possible. We can try to avoid it, but it'll always happen

Lack of medicine.

The inclination to steal shit.

To hurt things that are annoying you.

Whats your point?

I don't see problem with prejudice as long as it doesn't affect people on a widespread scale, or isn't written into law

Nvm. I'm out.

I was going to suggest everyone take a sec to summarize someone else's POV. Scribble seems to be on an attack which is coming from every direction.

But I can't follow what's being said anymore and I'm not sure anyone else can either.

Hey I'm on scribble's side

Ah y'know what zero, you're right. Up until this moment I thought it was possible to extinguish evil to the last drop!

Thanks for enlightening me.

you're not helping your position scribble

I don't care.

you're just being peevish.

Thats the thing, I dont think in a vacuum prejudice does anything harmful. But if beaten and coerced, it can do terrible things.

Prejudice is hard coded as a survival mechanism in humanity, but we don't have to throw our hands in the air and be alright with treating people differently based on immutable characteristics

Yep.

I'm very peevish.

I'm a petulant shit.

So the sjws and the left can beat the world into submission to tell us how to be good people all they want, but it'll be the backlash that is unforgiveable.

And I enjoy it.

Why should either be forgivable?

Can we dial down the sarcasm a bit. There's clearly alot of cross talk going on.

@Schedrevka nobody here is saying we need to treat people differently based on immutable characteristics. nobody at any point made that claim.

Zero, you have to be more patient with the recovery.

nvm. I'm out.

I've argued against this very point several times.

lol i've been told that before by friends but it was actually about 5 years ago when i actually was knee-deep in social justice myself

It always ends with you people going "PRFFF. WELL. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT"

Doomsaying douchewaffles, all.

You don't even *try.*

Because it's not on your desk YESTERDAY.

Doesn't work like that.

Jesus Christ man chill out.

What would you do if you had actual problems in your life?

Shush.

What it comes down to is that we didn't need a progressive movement to begin with. Things happen naturally.

The movement was forcing things to happen quickly, and that ends poorly.

Double standard let it happen.

So I just want the movement to end quickly lol

For decades, it was okay for blacks for example to speak the exact same way a white supremacist speaks.

The answer is not to start a second fire.

Just put out the first one.

Eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. SJWs always fucking double down, and I don't want to be surrounded by right wing SJWs again just as I don't want to be surrounded by left wing ones.

And have fucking *patience.*

The lack of patience makes me shit lava.

Lava, you hear me?

I didn't hear much black power stuff in the last 30 years i've been alive. Before that was the actual black power/panther movement so it was done then. Now in the last 3-4 years... thats different.

It was everywhere, whether you were willing to recognize it or not.

Episodes of Fresh Prince for example

It was there, it just wasn't as celebrated

If you reversed the races being discussed it would sound ludicrous.

Not all episodes. Some. And it was for some reason *totally fine.* Even though it wasn't. People just let it go.

Yeah, so whats your point? Thats bad right?

... Yeah?

I think everyone here agrees with that.

I'd hope so.

?

But if they didn't, oh well.

Its their right.

After the recession, all these things that were always there went into overdrive.

I see we've dropped our aussie as of late lol... havent got my fill of antisemitism lately

No one is discussing rights here

People seldom bring this up.

Without wall street's massive fuckup, this SJW tsunami never could've been this staggering.

The UK is calling it a class issue right now, the problems they're having with blacks and whites. I don't think its that far off here in the US either. Its more class than race because of how many poor whites there are, too.

That recession enraged people and that rage never went away.

Everyone clawing at each other to keep from slipping to the bottom.

I noticed people got a lot more comfortable scamming each other.

I could never prove it in court.

I don't blame wall street for the stupidity of kids and how their parents raised them.

What, you're excluding the colleges?

They're the other vital piece.

The colleges got this grand opportunity to push the marxism stuff hardcore.

All thanks to the recession.

No, the Unis got subverted starting in the 60s.