so you concede that your point is purely anecdotal.

... Sure?

the right doesn't hate art, rich people love art /s

No.

Rich people buy modern art as a means to stow money.

It's a tax thing.

hence the /s

Any time you've seen art and wondered why it's worth so much, THAT'S WHY

Given the composition of some of the more expensive pieces, it'd be hard to see any other explanation

What I think is FAR more likely the case (and I accept that my point is speculation at best) is that people who work physical labor, people who are more likely to be conservatives, are also more likely to dislike people making as much or more than them for less strenuous work.

Yes.

Not necessarily in a marxist way, but in a jealous way.

That's what I was saying in not so many words.

Complete frat bros about it

Alright. But to say that's a trait of conservatives is a misfire.

Taken as a whole, that's what you can expect.

artists usually don't make any money

Sure they do.

like high school athletes

Look, guys.

the idea of the starving artist came from somewhere

It just depends on the jobs they manage to land with it.

Earlier at least one of you was mocking me for being unemployed with my art.

I don't remember which of you it was.

But it was EXACTLY the same.

If you drive down the busiest street in your city, I guarantee you'll see things that a visual artist was paid quite well to make.

You resent me for even *trying*

even famous artists didn't make most of their money until after death

Hell, just look at people's shirts.

and for every one of those artists, there is hundreds who didn't make it

Absolutely.

and have no skill set to get any good job

I work with independent musicians.

It IS a thing that happens.

far more frequently than you might expect

Art is one of the only skills you can keep training and training and training for free.

In a teeny tiny room.

The cruel fact of it all is that talent doesn't necessarily beget millions and millions in the artistic endeavours

It's all I have.

I've been doing it since I was a kid.

Any divergence from this, will be temporary.

The point I'd make, Scribb, is that you're doing it wrong.

It will always be geared at making ART the main thing.

If I have to permanently do something else, it will end in suicide.

That's not me pretending to be better than people.

The days of comissioned masterpieces, what brought about the great art of history, that's gone.

That's me being broken without what I've loved since I was a kid.

@RyeNorth its moved into furry porn

Not being able to do something for a living =! Being without it

Okay, well.

Who gives a shit.

I'll do it until I die of hunger. Happy?

Continuing to wait for society to change to one where Artists are able to thrive is reckless, though. That day's gone. You need a new strategy.

I don't think most people realize how draining something like retail is for an artist.

Coming home, having your own personality beaten out of you for the entire day. Limp arms and legs.

But 8 hours until you sleep.

No intention to spend that on art all of a sudden.

It happens.

And outsiders consider this trial to be completely imaginary.

And all you can do is insist it isn't.

That steep cost, for something that doesn't even pay a living wage.

Are you fucking kidding.

Scrib, you checked out the furry space for your art? Don't need to do the porn but you can get some shekels from fursona's if your anthro work is any good.

I'm sorry, that isn't an artist problem, that's a YOU problem.

Wow, speak of the devil and he appears.

```And outsiders consider this trial to be completely imaginary.
And all you can do is insist it isn't.```

Well I have to insist.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He's not *entirely* wrong, though.

You keep cornering it off to retail work.

Okay let's say it's purely a me problem.

There are other options at play.

Like yours, which you won't disclose?

You may think that's rare.

I worked door to door and still worked on my art. I had a much shittier job and still kept up with my art.

But no one gets into the particulars about a better option

Everyone keeps their shit super secret for some reason.

Because they don't want to dox themselves

That's so stupid.

Wut

Doxing is disclosing location and identity.

Do you know how easy it is to find people?

How is it impossible to get into the specifics of how a job works.

Just avoid proper nouns.

Jesus christ.

This isn't difficult.

Using some *cough* privileged information *uncough* I actually found jobs in your state listing for graphic artists.

They exist.

I don't actually believe you, but whatever you do say, don't say it in chat because I don't want these people knowing my state.

Good call. This is actually Axe Murderers Anonymous

Associates degree required.

I don't have one of those.

It's not actually required

Apply anyway

No.

Again, I've talked to people in charge of hiring. These are standard practices. You lose nothing by sending in an application

motto batte

graphic arts? you don't need a degree, you need a portfolio

It's listed as requirement. bachelor's degree is PREFERRED below.

Literally doesn't matter. Apply anyway if you're serious about this