It's like.

How dirt cheap is everything there.

places like africa

some countries in south america

So having uni student pay for at least 10% would be sufficient?

Does someone have to pay full prices for the value to be there?

what is value?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/15/john-brennan-trump-security-clearance-revoked-criticism-latest

10% of the cost we attributed to it, which is based off what americans can afford

😂

imagine a bike that cost a years salary

In regards to where you brought up when people pay the get value out of it

yeah, they need to pay their way

you can't do that now

you used to tho

no more than like 40 years ago

But where is the line drawn?

people could get a job and pay there way through college

Oh yes.

You CANNOT do that now.

now you need a college degree to pay for college to get the college degree

And boomers don't even fucking know it...

It's the most enraging thing in the whole wide goddamn world.

I got lucky

how does a college degree now cost more than then, yet mean less?

I entered the workforce right before a degree was 100% mandatory for my job

Sheer apathy.

now my resume speaks for itself

and I work for a huge tech company and basically could get hired anywhere

but I fear that option is limited now

I hate how I'm lectured to get a job, and denied the time to rebut them.

@ExceptionalFeather i'd say college should probably be closer to 10% of what is its today, yes. because it used to be like that.

"Can I explain how everything you just said was inapplicab-- Oh you're just gonna talk over me? Okay."

well, maybe not that much

but you get my point

So who is the one perpetrating the problem though?

The colleges.

basically everyone

I hope Mike Rowe's initiative actually makes waves.

They shouldn't be that expensive.

Mike Rowe is literally the only one talking about this right now

But they can charge more and get away with it.

Ultimately who is the one not hiring people without college degrees and why

a culture of pushing people to go to college, which lead to a shift away from why college was valuable

Okay. The colleges raise their tuition. Again.

if everyone has a college degree, no one has a college degree 😛

which lead to state involvement more than ever

The colleges raise their tuition, and WHAT CAN STOP THEM?

nothing

not going to college

seriously and I dont' want to sound like a defeatist

people can't afford it

but literally nothing

Why don;t companies just stop requiring college degrees?

they stop going

they will stop requiring

when the workforce can't meet supply

They get pressured by their parents to get a loan and then go

companies run out of qualified people, either start training or go broke

Because theoretically, the job will pay back your loan

when demand outstrips supply

And if you don't get a job? Uh, whoopsy fuckin doodle.

thats literally the only thing

If a company does not have to pay enough to cover your loan why bother hiring someone who needs that extra money?

when demand outstrips supply, prices go up, in thsi case, the price is someone with skills but no degree

Boomers are pants on head retarded.

It's not deniable.

we are experiencing the natural flow. Over population compared to available resource leading to massive die off until the resource is once again abundant

I'm debt free, but I'm completely and utterly unemployed and have been for years.

I still have no plan.

companies forgot why they ever offered on the job training, we are on the route to remembering why

I've dodged a bullet, but I may meet the same end anyway.

Are colleges doing anything out of line of what the free market calls for?

yup

no colleges aren't

the demand is there

for people wanting to goto school

@Scribblehatch walmart won't take you? i'm only asking because it is possible to move up in walmart and make a decent salary without a college degree

Yes they are.

There's laws and there's good ideas.

And the colleges have violated plenty of good ideas.

until the bottom drops out and people who went to school can't find jobs and that reduces demand, then it'll continue

that's because colleges became money making engines instead of education

@ExceptionalFeather actually yes. because there is no true free market for college. too much state money flowing in for starters

What are the good ideas?

Every job at Walmart is a loss to the taxpayer.

I won't participate.

not the managers

...

only jobs that require a college degree should people get college degrees

So participate in the tax theft in the hopes of becomming a manager.

No thank you.

Promotions aren't exactly something you can expect like that anymore.

tax theft because the state offers to subsidize part of the workers salary?

More typically, you can expect them to hire laterally.

who are you to be entitled to a promotion?

you need to work for it

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1003787/russia-news-sea-creature-monster

Grenade, fuck off.

True news